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a question of ethics

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by theshooter, Dec 2, 2010.

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  1. theshooter

    theshooter TS Member

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    Ok, here it is, last year my trap gun broke and needed repairs. So I had to use another gun that had a very incorrect fit, but was all I had, this was reflected in the worse scores and averages I have ever registered. The ATA saw fit to give me 2 reductions in my handicap yardage, due to my scores. I just received the second reduction. I have however gotten my old gun back and my hits and breaks in practice and at my club are back to nothing short of amazing. The dilemma do I take the second reduction or reject it. I have lost many times to sandbaggers, I know who they are. Would I be guilty of the same thing, even know my poor scores were not intentional. Would like to know your feelings on this.
     
  2. Ted K.

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    If it were me (and it is not), I would reject at least one of the reductions, largely because I wouldn't get any personal satisfaction out of winning anything based on these clearly aberrational scores.

    Ted K.
     
  3. BDodd

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    Ditto Ted!......Bob Dodd
     
  4. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    You know how to answer that question, and you know what is right. Don't betray your integrity by trying to justify keeping both. You're better than that. Known ability! You know yours. Bulge.
     
  5. mollyone

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    Should you take both reductions, that would qualify you to run for congress



    go for it lol.
     
  6. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Now that you have your machine back and feel your capabilities are better than where this all began, ask ATA to allow you to compete from the 25? You paid to shoot those targets (at least 2500 or so?) according to our rules and did the best under the circumstances, did you not? That certainly isn't sandbagging at all and you didn't intentionally drop targets to get either of those reductions.

    This is a personal decision only you can make and not allow guilt to be a part of that decision either way.

    Hap
     
  7. KENENT1

    KENENT1 Active Member

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    what if you don't take the reductions and your gun breaks again??





    tony
     
  8. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Do the "Right" thing......

    Curt
     
  9. Auctioneer

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    You have the right to reject both of them. I have decided not to accept any of them. I will keep shooting that yardage till I win and get a punch.
     
  10. Mike Michalski

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    You've done nothing wrong or unethical and taking or rejecting one or both reductions should be a guiltless decision. That said, should you take the reductions it wont take long to get the yardage back.

    Congratulations on your thought process though. A lot of people give little regard for fair play or ethics. I'd shoot with you anytime.
     
  11. SeldomShoots

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    I have to agree with User 1 and Mike Michalski. If you made an honest effort to break every target and couldn't get it done with the equipment you were using, you are entitled to said reduction. I doubt you broke your gun on purpose.

    If you shoot registered regularly, you will have your yardage back in a matter of 2 to 6 shoots. At the time, if you shot for money, purses or lewis, there is no doubt you were not as competitve and likely suffered in that arena as well. ATA makes the rules, you have the right to play by them without feeling guilty. Also, as mentioned above, what if your "good" gun breaks again?

    Just remember, making an honest effort to do your best with what you have to work with at the time, all of the time, is not sandbagging.

    John E.
     
  12. wolfram

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    If you truly feel that you can be competitive at the longer yardages then refuse the reductions. This way, when you do win a match you will be satisfied with yourself in knowing that you met the challenge as opposed to just playing a game with the rules. You are the only one you need to impress in this deal.
     
  13. warren

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    As I recall there is a claus in the rules about known ability, I would say this is related, maybe some one more familiar with the rules can fill us in????

    warren
     
  14. Hauxfan

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    How about if you take one reduction and send the other one to me.........

    I could use it! lol

    Hauxfan!
     
  15. BIGDON

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    The only one who really knows his ability is himself. Therefore it his and his alone to make the decision. Don't look at this place for the answer because all you get here is comfort or discomfort for the decision. Make it and keep it to yourself.

    Don
     
  16. likes-to-shoot

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    I don't think there is a question of ehics...either you have them or you don't. You know in your heart what you should do.
     
  17. kruzin55

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    In golf, the definition of an 'sandbagger' is anyone who misleads others about his ability level, claiming to be worse than he actually is. So if you know that your skill level with the repaired gun doesn't warrant the reductions, isn't that misleading?
     
  18. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Good on you for even considering this.

    I have no opinion, but it would be funny to see the sandbaggers get their butts kicked for once.
     
  19. Shady Creek

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    Your heart is in the right place but, you don't make the rules and it shouldn't take long to get back up there. GOOD LUCK
     
  20. OldGoat

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    Ask yourself..."What would my Congressman do?" For example, Rep. Charlie Rangel...naaah, forget I said this. Regards, Ed
     
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