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A Christian Nation?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by kolared person, Apr 8, 2009.

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  1. kolared person

    kolared person TS Member

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    When our president was giving a speech in Turkey he stated that we are not a Christian Nation. COMMENTS!
     
  2. blizzard

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    Don't really care what that POS has to say. Ask him where his birth certificate is and see what he has to say.
     
  3. Trappy12

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    We are not a Christian Nation, but we ARE founded on, and live by Christian values. Though the majority of the country is Christian, there are millions of other religions around as well. To say that we are a Christian Nation is not current. Were we a Christian nation? Yes, but not for at least the last 50 years.
    -Trappy
     
  4. 50calshooter

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    Trappy for the first time since reading your coments you are right. I live in Rual NeKansas and after our local election yesterday it seems that God has foresaken even us country folks.
     
  5. H82MIS

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    Speak for yourself BRAT,,,
     
  6. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    I think Obambi is responsible for a religious reawakening. Every time he opens his mouth, 100 million taxpayers spontaneously shout Juses H. Crhsit!
     
  7. crusha

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    Hey Vern, you care to furnish a reference for that?
     
  8. halfmile

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    So 45 years ago, what was the religous prevalence of this nation, O thou whom spoutest so unknowingly?

    THE MORON SPEAKS............(and no one listens).

    Your prattle is without foundation.

    HM
     
  9. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    Trappy:

    Not sure which 'we' you'd be referring to when you say, "... we... live by Christian values."

    I'm not of the Catholic faith but the Pope doesn't think some your crew (Kennedy, Pelosi, and Biden for example) qualify either.

    And he aint much impressed by your president's support for murdering unborn babies.

    sissy
     
  10. Bisi

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    Every country has a religion, in one form or the other. Luckily the United States is a country whose founders believed in God and although, of different denominations most were Christian. They stated that our rights came from God not man or the state.

    Look at some of the "secular" countries past and present. They may not be Christian, Jewish, or even Muslim but they have a religion. Germany in the 30s and 40s religion was National Socialism, and their leader was Adolph. The Soviet Union's religion was communism or the state. All rights came from the state and needs were filled by the state. How did that work out? Ask the 30 million citizens of the USSR who were murdered by their deity.

    Here in the US now, Christianity is under assault. We have a new Messiah - Obama! He will provide everything everyone needs, no need for God anymore.
    Pelosi, Kennedy, Reid, et al may profess to be Christian but their real belief and religion is BIG GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE, and their Savior is Lord Obama.
     
  11. Setterman

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    Trappy, go to "US Religions" on the net. 76% in the US are Christians. We were and are a Christian nation that allows other religions to practice their beliefs without prosecution. Blow your crap some where else, or check out the facts before you write lies.
     
  12. omgb

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    I teach US history and am a Madison Fellow. So, here's my $.02. We are not and never have been, a Christian Nation. We are not even founded on Christian principles. Our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution all reflect enlightenment rationalism with a heavy dose of Christian culture thrown in. Notice the references in the Declaration of Independence to "Nature" and Nature's God" There is no mention of Jesus Christ. None in the constitution either. If we were founded on Christianity, you can darn bet your Bible His name would have been mentioned. Now, if you look at the state constitutions, especially, IIRC, Massachusetts, the word Christian comes up more than once. So, what does that mean? Well, lets take a look at the founders.

    Many of our founders were Christian; Madison, Hamilton, Jay, Washington to name a few. Some were not; Jefferson, Franklin for example. Still, right up to the present, the majority of Americans claim religious affiliation and Christianity is their faith of common choice. We are therefore, a nation filled with a majority of Christians or at least those who claim that affiliation. I'm not too sure what that means now though. The Bible openly condemns homosexuality, drunkenness, fornication and divination/sorcery. Yet, I know lots of folks who adamantly profess to be Christians who vote for gay rights and marriage, sleep with folks they are not married to, routinely drink to excess and approve of others doing so too and interestingly, they read horoscopes, check tarot cards and call palm readers etc. Clearly, the influence of the Bible and Scriptural principles are not universally practiced by those who profess the faith. I submit then, that we are not a Christian nation and never really have been. We are though, a nation with many perhaps even a majority of practicing Christians who vote their many individual interpretations of what that means.

    All of that aside, Obama is whacked. I can't think of a dang thing a Muslim ever brought to the US that added one positive thing to our culture or government.
     
  13. Chango2

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    Thanks omgb for an instructive synopsis of the history involvolved. I recoil,no pun intended, when I hear statements such as "We were and are a Christian nation that allows other religions to practice their beliefs without prosecution."

    Implicit in that statement to me is simply: That allowance, or tolerance of other religious beliefs can be revoked. I find that statement to be smug and somewhat irritating, but, perhaps, the individual who posted that statement did not mean malice, but, perhaps, an interpretation based upon his or her personal observation.

    As for Obama, well I see so much hot air. My unpopular view (from both liberal and conservative friends) is that he is LBJ all over again in a different package. I happened to read some very left-wing wacko stuff about him and they don't like him; consider him very mainstream and to be an individual who admired Reagon? Go figure..
     
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    In his mind maybe. I read that he hasn't been to church since elected. It's amazing that when running for office they took his picture every Sunday in church somewhere. He duped so many people and most still believe him.

    Don
     
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    LBJ had some substance, at least when it came to civil rights legislation. His war on poverty thought was a bust. I don't see that substance in Obama. I do see a trend to increase government control over private lives. In many ways, he is an uber progressive, seeking to create a cradle to grve nanny state with some very heavy Orwellian over tones.
     
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    I thought I had better state my credentials so that folks didn't think they were getting some left-wing discourse on American history. I am in my mid 50s, a seven year vet of the USAF and I've been teaching for over 26 years. Some of that time was in public school but the last 18 has been in Catholic high school. I graduated from Multnomah Bible college with a degree in Religious Studies and a second major in pastoral studies. I then when on to UCLA to get my credential and Cal State LA to do some courses in US History. I completed my Masters in American Studies at Pepperdine University and along the way became a Madison Fellow. That required a summer at Georgetown university. I am a protestant evangelical with some fundamentalist leanings although those folks would brand me as way too liberal for their taste. I do take the Bible as true though and I honestly try to live by it but I am not a member of a particular church. I have voted Republican with the exception of Carter and Ross Perot....Carter was admittedly a huge mistake. That was the one and only time I voted because of a man's religious faith. I'll never make that mistake again. So, that's who I am. Oh, one of my kids, my daughter is a cop, the other gulp, is in the mortage industry.
     
  18. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Our nation must be based on christianity, Didn't that purple lipped muslim sware on the christian bible to up hold the laws of the US? Don't any of us have to sware on the bible in any court to tell the truth?
     
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    My $.02: America did not spring up like a mushroom in 1776. If my early education was right it all started in 1620 in Plymouth Mass., by persecuted Christians.

    The French fur traders who plied the wilderness were of the Christian faith if they had any at all.

    I do not recall evidence of any other religion in the formative years of this country. As it was settled, a church was usually one of the first buildings made when order became the rule of the day.

    omgb, your learned discourse is appreciated, but if you look at the country and attempt to put a religous designation on it, there is only one choice. Just because there were non-Christians here and there while it was founded doesn't make it a non-Christian nation.

    Even the brilliant one stated the majority of people here are Christian.

    I don't think that makes us anything but.

    HM
     
  20. highflyer

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    We were a Christian nation when we were founded and still are although with the election of Obama, the evil one, not as Christian as we used to be. Our democracy was born out of our Christian heritage. That is precisely why America is the greatest nation the world has ever known. None other even close. Obama, the evil one, is to stupid to know that. We are now facing the worst crisis we have ever faced to our freedom and our constitution. It is Obama, the evil one. I hope we can get through it but I am not sure we can. He has already done great damage to our freedom and is running up trillions of dollars of debt, and just getting started. He will be the worst president we ever had.
     
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