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90T serial number

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  1. jbmi

    jbmi Well-Known Member

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    I was talking to someone at the Mich. State Shoot about 90T's. He said there were some subtle changes to the basic gun after 1000 were made. He was convinced the last thousand produced were the best guns. Not sure where he got his info. but curiosity brings me here to ask. My SN is ST02989, approx. where does this place it in the production? What changes were made?
     
  2. grunt

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    A question for Dr Gun....
     
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    contact either Doug Braker or Kolar... I'm shooting gun #3004 gun and I believe that's near the back end, with production @1996.

    regards,

    Jay
     
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    ST02989 should be in the last ones made, i had 2543 and it was in the mid range. Joe
     
  5. jbmi

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    Does anyone know what is the highest SN ?
     
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    Mine is STO-1835 any idea where that is?
     
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    I have a very low three digit.
     
  8. GunDr

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    It's been a while, but I'll try to recall some numbers during production.

    About 3800 guns were produced. I know definitely there were no serial numbers over 4000.

    The production serial numbers started with ST00100. There are a few guns less than that, but they were all special orders, and not all of them had "real" numbers. Some of the "numbers" had the owners initials as part of the serial number, some had birthdates, some had wedding dates.

    All of the guns produced were produced with the same quality, from start to finish. True, there were some changes.....

    Maybe to serial number 1200-ish, the bores were larger, around .747"-.755". This was impart because Remington furnished the blanks already hammer forged to .745". With consecutive bbl shipments, they kept tightening them up at our (Kolar Arms) request. Eventually, we were able to provide a finished bore at .742"-.745", with about .033" choke.

    The hi-rib adjustable 90-T had tighter bores from the start...738" with .040" choke.

    A mechanical change took place around serial number 2600, give or take 150. This change was to replace the 10 degree angle of the locking bolt and the lugs on the bbl to 8 degrees. The 10 degree angle definitely gave the life of the bolt maybe 40k rounds, but at 20k or so, it would no longer hold itself to the bbl lugs, and it would want to pop out of the lugs during a shot.(the top lever would move). With the 8 degree angle it would not. This may have shortened the life a bit, but still, 30k-35k is still a lot of shooting. Most all break-open guns are that anyway.

    The forend update you may hear or read about from me was never done to any gun during production. I started doing them while I was still at Kolar, but it was 2 years after the end of production. The angled little "shoe" was/is the weak link in the gun. I was replacing some as many as 2-3 times a year on the same gun. The update did away with the sharp angles, and allows the new insert to freely position itself behinf the lug on the bbl squarely.

    As for the wood, the early guns had nice figure with "kind-of" an orange(y) color. As more shipments arrived, the finish darkened up to a more uniform brown. This was to help us not to spend so much time matching buttstocks to forends. The wood was furnished by Reinhart Fajen.

    There were 4 options for wood dimensions....

    #1...1-1/4" MC

    #2...1-3/8" MC

    #3...1-1/2" MC

    #4...1-1/2" straight comb

    All of the hi rib guns had an adjustable stock.

    Early production guns could be had as special orders, with many options...adj combs, adj pads, porting, choke tubes(Kolar tubes), extra triggers, release triggers, extra bbls(including a few 32" bbls).

    I belive it was 1991 that 50 guns were produced for the ATA, one for each state. They had a little engraving on them, including the shape of the corresponding state on one sideplate and the ATA logo on the other. I don't recall how they were serialized (maybe someone may have one and could fill this part in).

    Not all of the "state" guns were sold, and they were sent back to Remington and parted out. During the big regime change at Remington, the employees were able to piece guns back together and purchase any firearm that was still available in the warehouse. So, some of those parted out "state" guns got put back into circualation, but with mis-matched parts.

    I hope this helps fill in any holes to the 90-T lovers (I love my 90-T).

    Doug Braker
     
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    Thanks Doug.
     
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    The serial number on the Hall of Fame State Guns is HF followed by the number the state was admitted to the union followed by the two letter abreviation for the state. Example HF 48 AZ I have two of these guns, Az and NY. Hope this helps.

    Gary Knight
     
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    Thanks Gary.
     
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    Great thread gentlemen. I have #860 mint in the box. Nice gun.

    Wayne
     
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    Where is the serial number on a 90t?
     
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