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9 states file Legal brief backing Arizona.

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Jul 14, 2010.

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  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Brief for 9 states backs Arizona immigration law
    DETROIT – Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox has filed a legal brief on behalf of nine states supporting Arizona's immigration law.

    The Republican gubernatorial candidate said Wednesday that Michigan is the lead state backing Arizona in federal court. Michigan is joined by Alabama, Florida, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia, as well as the Northern Mariana Islands.

    Cox says states are authorized to enforce immigration laws and protect their borders.

    The Arizona law directs officers to question people about their immigration status during the enforcement of other laws and if there's a reasonable suspicion they're in the U.S. illegally.

    President Barack Obama's administration recently filed suit to block it, saying immigration is a federal issue.
     
  2. WS-1

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    Hey Bulge,

    Who is this Barack Obama character and why would I give two little turds what his administration does or doesn't want to do?

    Kit Thomas
     
  3. Trappy12

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    Well screw those states for doing no less than wiping their own asses with the Constitution. I am by no means in support of those who entered the country illegally and I don't believe they should be granted amnesty, but it IS promoting racial profiling no matter how you look at it, and to anyone they question who is in fact a citizen it is a complete violation of their 4th Amendment rights. If Obama's suit goes through and the court rules on precedent (fat chance considering the most recent move that should be feeding the tea party's cry of taking back the government, that is ruling that corporations are people too) immigration will be ruled as a federal issue just like interstate commerce with Gibbons v. Ogden. If interstate commerce was ruled federal why should international traffic be ruled under state jurisdiction?
    -Trappy
     
  4. TC

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    Since bank robbery is a Federal crime, police should not go after bank robbers either?
     
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    TC, they usually do not go after people without probable cause, and if they catch them or go after them without probable cause it is illegal. Thus, protecting citizens from the government impeding on our right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
    -Trappy
     
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    Capt. Von Trapp,

    Re: interstate and international, you answered your own question.

    On a lighter note, The economy is SO BAD that Trappy's Dad is writing Trappy's posts for him for a nickel a pop....

    And....The economy is so bad that Trappy will have to pay his own tuition.
     
  7. schutzemgud

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    Trappy, I don't see the "promoting racial profiling." If you pulled over a person who couldn't speak english, didn't have ID for speeding there is a good chance they might be illegal aliens. IMHO Arizona is right on and given the problem doing the very right thing. What states are you saying "screw those states etc." The ones who back Arizona? Interestingly MSNBC did a survey this week and showed a 95% backing of Arizona new law. Is it possible there is legal profiling and also racial profiling? Either way it all comes back to the Government is not securing the borders. Until that is done this will become more and more an issue. People will not put with it forever. Arizona's new law is a mirror image of the federal law. It's now going to be enforced at the state level.

    Mike
     
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    Yes, I did answer my own question in that if each state does not control interstate, that is within our own country, why would they be allowed to expand that to something much greater than just between states.
    Everyone's got to pay their tuition one way or another. For me, it was studying hard, community service, athletics, ACT score, grants from my school, help from my parents, working several jobs, and loans for me that all came together to make it happen! Regards,
    -Trappy
     
  9. BAD 303

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    Lets get one thing straight Trappy. The last thing your Socialist president is concerned about is the constitution of this country. He is only concerned about buying voters cause his ass headed to the curb come 2012.
    Citizens of this country have to show proof of who they are everyday. I know you don't get out much but illegals are just that illegal. The taxpayers of this country are broke and so is every state. We can no longer support every illegal in our school systems,hospitals or in the welfare system. Send them out of this country as fast as possible anyway possible and then secure the borders. In fact send the liberal leeches with them.
     
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    Trappy,,,,you need to stop listening to PMSNBC and liberal blogs,,,,AZ's law specifically states that questioning ONLY due to race is NOT ALLOWED,,,,They have to be in contact with the police on another matter, i.e. traffic stop,,,,if they cannot produce "papers" i.e. state issued driver's license,,,,the police can THEN ask if they are in the country LEGALLY,,,,please READ the law....

    "TC, they usually do not go after people without probable cause, and if they catch them or go after them without probable cause it is illegal. Thus, protecting citizens from the government impeding on our right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure. -Trappy",,,,

    you obviously did not READ your response,,,,the KEY word being, 'citizens',,,,which ILLEGALS are NOT....
     
  11. WS-1

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    Trappy,

    Sovereign

    and/or Sovereignty

    Do us all a favor, and look them up in your Funk and Wagnall's.
     
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    Obviously illegals are not citizens, that is what I am saying, but how do you sort them out without violating their rights? Arizona has not figured that out. I have read their law completely at it contradicts itself. It states that an officer cannot make an arrest of an alien who is legally in the United States just because they do not have their papers. Yet it also states that all aliens must have legal documentation with them at all times. And that reasonable suspicion can exist when an officer is aware of specific articulable facts which when considered with the objective of reasonable inferences form a basis for particularized suspicion. Get it?
    WS-1, instead of checking to see if I know what sovereignty means how about explaining your point?
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    You're a College guy! Figure it out!
     
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    So tell me, in the last 100 years, when has the US tried to be a sovereign nation? Isn't it the integration of countless cultures that has established our current traditions, as well as help to create new ones? Why should we stop integrating cultures into ours which is great because of the vast amount of history and culture that is so varied? Again, I am BY NO MEANS IN SUPPORT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, but tell me why we need to keep our sovereignty and what exactly is defined as America's sovereignty. Specifically, what is it that we need to keep sovereign and more importantly how does illegal vs. legal immigration (especially from Mexico) jeopardize that?
    -Trappy
     
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    No student loans, no money from Dad, no free lunch! Figure it out!
     
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    =no college education which=no future.
    Now answer my questions?
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    Trappy did not read the bill.

    My 17 year old grandson did, and put his social studies teacher in his place by producing a copy.

    The law is a mirror image of Federal Law.

    Obama is not suing on the basis of so called profiling because it ain't there.

    So he is starting a pissing match over jurisdiction.

    This shit about the government against the people is so obvious, all you have to do is put the Kool-Aid glass down for a minute.

    Trappy is just mouthing the puke lingo here.

    Gotta expect that from FIBs.

    HM
     
  18. WS-1

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    You're a big boy now.

    Figure it out.

    Final answer.
     
  19. hoggy

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    So Trappy you believe illegals here should have the same rights as legal citizens. Wake up pal. Why should they have the right to get away with being here when they should not be here to begin with?

    "Obviously illegals are not citizens, that is what I am saying, but how do you sort them out (without violating their rights?)"
     
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    So should we open up the borders and just let everyone pile in, regardless of purpose or intent? There is a law against enering this country without following legal established procedure. It does not matter if you are white, hispanic, black, oriental, green or smurf blue. Illegal entry is a crime. States should have the right to check the legal status of anyone during a legal encounter with an officer of the law. The Federal Government has chosen not to enforce these laws. I think the states should sue the federal government and force them to do their job. I don't think it's fair that the States should bear the costs of the Federal Governments Failures. The issue is not what race you are or language you speak. It is about being somewhere that you are not legally allowed to be and being a criminal by doing so.

    I don't have an issue with "Legal" immigrants. My mother is a naturalized citizen and went through the process to become a citizen legally. Grandparents on my Father's side were also legal immigrants and naturalized citizens. The process can work if only these people would use the Legal Avenues to enter the country and leave if their status changes. When someone enters or stays in this country illegally, it is a slap in the face to all of the people that have taken the legal path to residency or citizenship.

    Anybody ever hear the story behind "Project Exile" when it started in Richmond Virginia and other localities? It had to do with the Feds enforcing their laws and holding criminals accountable for their actions. It was a huge success and crime was reduced as a result. Imagine the Federal Government doing their job!

    The demonstrations just show the arrogance and audacity of these people in pretending they did nothing wrong, broke no laws, and are entitled to be here regardless of their illegal status. I find it offensive and the people here that support them, twice as offensive.
     
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