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700X for 20 gauge reloading

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 3dram8, Nov 4, 2009.

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  1. 3dram8

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    I had a guy at our club ask me if I knew where he could find some data to load 20 gauge shells with 700X since he couldn't seem to find data anywhere. I told him that 700X was WAY too fast burning for 20 gauge, and that pressures would be dangerously high. He said that he just bought a whole keg for loading his 12 gauge and wanted to use it for 20 gauge as well and was not about to spend another $100+ for special powder just for his 20 gauge. What do you say to a guy after that? I'm going to be nervous shooting with him from now on. ....Rick
     
  2. short shucker

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    Darwinism at its finest.

    Just don't be around the guy when he shoots, especially when he has got the 20 ga out. Pass the word to the other shooters so they don't get hurt either.

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  3. BDodd

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    I see several loadings with 700X in 20 gauge, Federal plastic target hulls but not in the Rem. and Winch. hulls. Perhaps you can convince this fellow to use the Federal hulls??....Bob Dodd
     
  4. 3dram8

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    Bob, great minds must think alike, LOL! I just got off the Hodgdon website and was looking at those same loads that you are talking about. Even though they are listing the Federal hull, did you notice that all the loads are MAX pressure of almost 12,000? I'd STILL be nervous loading those unless I knew I was getting EXACT PERFECT powder drops. I really doubt that this guy is even using a scale. You wouldn't believe how many guys I run into that merely look at a bushing chart to select a bushing that "comes close" to what they want, and just start assembling shells without even bothering to see what they are metering on a good scale. ....Rick
     
  5. PerazziBigBore

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    700X works OK.. with 11/16oz of shot in 20 gauge.. and a few 3/4oz loads.. The 7/8oz are just to high of PSI for me to consider.. I think he'd fare far better off with Uniques.. Been my powder for 20 gauge the last 40 years..
     
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    Back when I loaded 20s for our son, I used 800X in Remington and Winchester hulls with good results.

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  7. PerazziBigBore

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    I've found over the years 800X.. while an excellent burning rate for 20 gauge.. did not meter well in my 366 which I use to load on.. I often got more than 1/2 grain variation..which in 20 gauge is to much for me.. Before I'd go there.. I'd look at Longshot.. which is in a similar SLOW range.. and would drop no more than 2/10's of a grain off..
     
  8. 3dram8

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    The issue with this guy is that he (I think) is assuming that powder is powder. I suggested that he try Alliant 20/28 (my favorite for the 20 gauge), but since he has this big keg of $100+ 700X powder he wants to just use it up for ALL his shotshell reloading without going out and spending another $100+ on different powder.


    When I shot NSSA in the 70's and 80's before converting to ATA about 1985, I also used Unique for 20 gauge. Recently I started shooting 20 gauge again for fun at skeet and sporting and I tried International Clays, PB, WSF, and when I got to 20/28, I stopped right there since I was so happy with the results. ....Rick
     
  9. BDodd

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    Rick, Yes, I noticed the max pressures too. And, I agree and DO know there are way too many folks that forget scales or careful thinking. I know several folks that seem as anal as anyone about their loads and safety only to find they're loading without a scale; just relying on charts or what they consider common sense. They're always the ones that they are loading exactly xxx grains of powder and have for years. They finally admit they know that because that's what the MEC bushing chart says. Do, breakemall.....Bob Dodd
     
  10. OldRemFan

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    Maybe your friends solution is not to buy another "big keg or anything", but to find another shooter close by that might have some unique or blue dot to trade for some of his 700X.
     
  11. PerazziBigBore

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    While many of us have pages of data for 700X in 20 gauge.. We all know the Dupont quit suggesting it for use in 20 gauge a long time ago... Must be a reason... That's good enough for me..
     
  12. Bob_K

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    Ask him how much he is willing to spend on a replacement shotgun. Might be more than $100...
     
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