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7/8oz 12ga @ 1200 fps- Factory ammo?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by skeet_man, Jul 6, 2011.

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  1. skeet_man

    skeet_man Well-Known Member

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    Does any mfg make 7/8oz 12ga @ 1200fps? I couldn't find any on winchester remington federal or estate websites. Remington lists a 7/8oz, but its @ 1100 fps.
     
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    Kemen (light 24)(7.5 or 8)

    ernie
     
  3. tractorboy

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    Ian, this years Texas State 12ga champ (also was Texas State 12g champ in 2009) uses the 7/8oz 12ga load you are referring to, but it is a handload. He says he runs his 100 in the 12 using the above load and then when he goes into the shoot off, he uses a 1oz load for the 1st shot and 1-1/8 oz for the 2nd shot.
     
  4. mrskeet410

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    Why would a 4-gun skeet shooter prefer a 7/8 ounce 12 gauge load to his 20 gauge?
     
  5. RED Z06

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    skeet man,

    FIOCCHI makes a great 7/8oz 1200fps round. It’s hard to find on a consistent basis. I’ve shot it for just about everything; no recoil and it patterned great in every gun I’ve shot it from.

    Thanks,

    Pat
     
  6. tractorboy

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    mrskeet410 said: "Why would a 4-gun skeet shooter prefer a 7/8 ounce 12 gauge load to his 20 gauge?"

    I know the 12g champ quite well and will try to explain what I have been told.

    The 7/8oz 20ga has a longer shotstring, has a sharper percieved recoil, has more flyers due to pellet distortion from the much higher 20ga pressures than the same payload in the 12ga.

    You can get a larger effective pattern pattern from a 7/8oz 12ga load than you can from a 7/8oz 20ga load due to the longer shotstring and more flyers of the 20ga. If you can imagine the 12ga shot charge traveling toward the target as a big flat pancake versus a longer but smaller diameter charge 20ga load. In short, the 12ga 7/8oz is ballistically superior to the 7/8oz 20ga.
     
  7. schutzemgud

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    That makes sense!
     
  8. timb99

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    <i>"The 7/8oz 20ga has a longer shotstring, has a sharper percieved recoil, has more flyers due to pellet distortion from the much higher 20ga pressures than the same payload in the 12ga."</i>

    Interesting statement. How do you know this?
     
  9. tractorboy

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    I am relating what I was told by the person who was 12g champion of Texas 2 out of the last 3 years. The logic of it certainly makes sense to me. Wouldn't it seem logical to you that you would get more deformed pellets, hence more flyers, from a 10,000+ PSI 20ga load versus a 7000PSI 12ga load?
     
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    <i>"Wouldn't it seem logical to you that you would get more deformed pellets, hence more flyers, from a 10,000+ PSI 20ga load versus a 7000PSI 12ga load?"</i>

    No. Not at all.

    And someone being a good shot seldom makes them an expert on ballistics.

    Without testing, any statement like that is pure speculation, and just as likely wrong as right.

    I agree a long shot string is a bad thing, but how do you know a 20 gauge has a longer shot string without having evidence?
     
  11. billyboy07208

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    I dont think a 12ga shell of any nature can be used in a 20ga event.
    Flyers arent such a bad thing at skeet distances,they fill out the fringe.
    7/8 at 1100 will be fine,same lead etc,you cant tell 80 to 100fps diff.
    briley tube your 12ga gun to 20ga you wont know the difference.its the weight and feel of the gun. a 20 bore will be lighter naturally and kick you more.
    For the original poster,I would suggest the winchster featherlites if you could find them I think 28grams at 980fps Ive shot 10 cases and had 2 odd sounding shells of the entire lot.
     
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    Win. has them at 980 fps. Or you can buy a 2 3/4 dram powder one oz. load that is 1200 fps. If you want a 7/8 oz load at 1200 fps your going to have to load it yourself. Break-em all Jeff
     
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    Rio has a 7/8 1200 fps load works great and inexpensive.Jerry
     
  14. mrskeet410

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    Tractorboy - Your friend didn't win the Texas State Shoot with 7/8th ounce loads. He broke a 100 straight with 7/8 ounce loads. Lot's of folks do that, mostly with a 20 gauge. He won the Texas State Shoot in the shoot-off with 1 ounce and 1 1/8 ounce loads.
     
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    "He won the Texas State Shoot in the shoot-off with 1 ounce and 1 1/8 ounce loads"

    That is true 1oz and 1-1/8oz for shoot offs. He says that, for him, the 12ga 7/8oz produces a better pattern and doesn't recoil (perceived) as much as a 7/8oz 20g load. He feels recoil effects are cumulative over a 100 target event and he feels that he increases his odds of shooting 100 straight with the 7/8 oz 12g load versus a 7/8oz 20g load.

    And yes, he shoots the 20g quite well also and in fact was the 20ga champ in a registered tournament last weekend. What I am saying is that he feels that the 12g 7/8oz (for 12g events) gives him the best odds of breaking 100 straight and making the Saturday night shoot offs. He has over 100,000 registered tournament targets and is a very analytical type who has done extensive testing of his loads.
     
  16. mrskeet410

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    Is Skeet_Man looking for a trap load?
     
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    Who is this Texas boy??
     
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    I think Jamie gaines was the Texas 12 ga champ in 2010.
     
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