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410 SKT OR 27 YD HANDICAP? WHICH IS HARDER?

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    HELLO:
    I am a trapshooter, which is more difficult, shooting 410 skeet or 27 yard handicap? also what is considered to be the toughest shot in sporting clays?
    steve balistreri
     
  2. J.Woolsey

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    Steve, I don't know anout the Sporting Clays, but I see a lot more 100X100's in 410 skeet than 27yd. trap. (Registered shoot results) They both tax ones ability to the max in either discipline. J.Woolsey
     
  3. oz

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    most difficult shot is a going away rabbit. oz
     
  4. mrskeet410

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    Good question I've often wondered about. At one time, I would have said .410 skeet. Before the '70s the ammunition was terrible, and the guns weren't much better. There were only a handful of 100x100s in the 410 before then.

    I would guess one way to look at it would be to compare the 27 yard 100x100s at the Grand to the 410 100x100s at the World Shoot.

    The .410 World Shoot event is held today (Saturday), so I don't have the 2007 numbers. But in 2006, there were 25 100x100s in the .410 out of 777 shooters. That is about one 100x100 per 31 shooters.

    Edit/addition - Numbers at 2007 World shoot - 9 100x100 in .410 main event, but 17 in the Mini World 410 (prelim).

    Does anybody have the numbers for the Handicap at the Grand?
     
  5. alf174

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    Usually 0, sometimes just a couple. Highest last August was one 99 from the 27.
     
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    I'll vote for 27yd. Handicap and far away Teel!!
     
  7. Baron23

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    I don't know a thing about 27 yd trap, but one of the things to keep in mind about 410 skeet is that it is usually the fifth event of the weekend, 400 targets already shot, one of the requirements of a top skeet shooter is perseverance...sometimes it seems like a marathon out there.
     
  8. mrskeet410

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    That's true today Baron23, but when 100x100s were rare in the .410, it was the first event of the weekend, i.e. Saturday a.m. No Friday Doubles then.
     
  9. halfmile

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    I can shoot better .410 than 27 yard.

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  10. skeet_man

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    "and one of those was with a 28ga. gun", please explain. Not sure i understand what your saying.
     
  11. BDodd

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    I remind ya'll of the fellow I watched breaking 30 yard trap targets with a .410 skeet gun and standard skeet shells - now that's a test of ability.....Bob Dodd
     
  12. Joe Potosky

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    27 Yard trap over .410 skeet. The top skeet shooters will usually have a 99 or 100 in .410 with more then a couple 100's seen at the bigger shoots. Overall, 27 yard trap shooters are not that consistent.

    As for the toughest shot in sporting clays?

    That's a hard one and depends on target setting, spring tension, and background, especially with report pairs.

    Target set on edge, going away, angeling away, looping, target size?

    Shooting up a hill or over a valley. Targets below your feet or over the trees. 8o foot high tower shots?

    A decent target setter can deceive you into missing the so called easy one's.

    I've seen what I thought was a difficult presentation blasted to bits and then other presentations that did not look so tough, having you leave the station shaking your head.

    Speaking of sporting clays. Many sporting clays courses are set for the average shooter and everyone shoots well (or almost). Ranges owners have found they are the ones that bring in the money each week. The serious shooters seek out courses and shoots that are more on par with there abilities. Sort of like finding a club that only offers 27 yard trap, with no 16 yard pads to be found...
     
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    Just one more opinion based upon a lot of years of 27 yard trap (very difficult for us mere mortals) and 5 years or so of registered skeet, there is no question that long handicap is the more difficult. That is not to say that .410 skeet is easy at all, just a more consistent target at known angles not exceeding about 21 yards. There are many more variables in long yardage trap at different clubs, backgrounds, weather, target setting, etc. The numbers quoted in the threads above will bear this out. Both are an awful lot of fun and there are some trapshooters that talk about pantyhose wearing skeet shooters that ought to go out and try to shoot some serious .410 skeet. It too can be very humbling. In both games the bar has been set even higher in recent years. By the way, some sporting clay courses will cause more self-pity than either trap or skeet and is certainly the best test of all around shotgun ability. Go shoot all of the games and have fun...

    Larry Addison
     
  14. smokerz

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    Last I heard Wayne Mayes had 171- 100x100 .410 skeet scores. Does anyone have 171- 100x100 from the 27?
     
  15. mrskeet410

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    Alf - Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that typically there are none to very few 100x100s from the 27 yard line at the Grand? And in 2007 there were none, and only one 99? If so, that's some pretty compelling evidence that 27 yard handicap is serious tuff.

    Anybody have an idea how many 27 yarders played at the Grand American Handicap in 2007?
     
  16. hubcap

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    I'll vote for 27 yd handicap being the more difficult of the two.

    Hubcap
     
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    mrskeet410, yes very few 100x100 from the 27 at ANY of the previous GAHs; some years none.

    Sorry, I don't have a count of the 27 yarders that shot the '07 GAH.
     
  18. smartass

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    FITASC is the harder of the 2.
     
  19. alf174

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    FITASC doesn't fall under skeet or trap; read the OP.
     
  20. hmb

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    In skeet you know the flight path of every shot. In trap you don't. You figure it out. HMB
     
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