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410 Powder ?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by rwm12, Feb 14, 2008.

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  1. rwm12

    rwm12 Member

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    Winchester 296 Ball Powder
     
  2. BunkerGuy

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    I've tried them all and have settled on Alliant's new 410 powder. Cleaner burning and no ball-powder reloader leakage problems. I'm loading the new AA HS hulls.

    - - Bill
     
  3. timb99

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    Lil' Gun on recommendation from some registered skeet shooters I know.
     
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    H110 (which is 296 in a hodgdon bottle). Am playing w/ wc820 also, haven't found a load I like for it yet though.
     
  6. wm rike

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    I use 296 because of the fine texture. It drops accurate charges in the small powder bushings required for the little bugger. Is 410 a fine grained powder too?
     
  7. redhawk44

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    I use Alliant 410. It is as good as any.

    Someone told me that 296 was better, but when I asked him if it was the patterns that were better, he said that he never patterned his loads.

    I am sticking with 410......
     
  8. claybrdr

    claybrdr Well-Known Member

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    296 or Alliant 410, same bushing in my MEC. I have less powder migration into the bar with Alliant 410 than with 296. The latter would often almost seize up the bar in my single stage loader before I changed to a progressive. Can't tell any significant difference in patterns or target breaks.
     
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    WC820. Half the cost just as good or better. You will need a PC powder baffle in a mec regardless of what you use.
     
  10. wolfram

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    I have been using WW296 or H110 with good/consistent results but it is about time to buy more powder. I think I will try 410, lots of positive comments about that. LIL gun is best suited for the 3" .410 loads and a bit dense for most 2 1/2" loads.
     
  11. Gary Waalkes

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    You might get better data from a manual. Alliant just happens to have one on-line.
     
  12. LDAdd

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    To P3AT,

    Re the "military pulldown" powder you refer to, would that happen to be a fine ball powder sold by Hodgdon labeled as "H108"? Several years ago we were able to buy some of that under $50.00 for 8 lb containers and used their recommendation of 13 grains in a 2.5" 1/2 oz. load, chronographs about 1200fps and was very satisfactory. We've used four containers between three of us and now it's all gone, sure would like to get more.

    Otherwise, years back I used 296 for awhile and fought leakage around the bar causing bar hangups, switched to 2400 and solved the problem. All this before Lil Gun and 410 came on the market. What I read in the threads above tells me to use 410 which I will do unless I can locate more H108. Can you add anything to this?

    Thanks

    Larry Addison
     
  13. Gregg535

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    The STS hulls in 410 will crimp nicely but they will not last very long compared to the newer HS "AA's". The HS 410 "AA's" are great except that it is harder to get them to follow the existing crimp folds.

    As for actually shooting patterns ----- I have shot a lot of 410 patterns when I first got interested in shooting them for SC. At that time, I only tried 2400 and 296 and IMR4277. I patterned them with numerous chokes at 21 yards and 32 yards and there was no comparison as far as pattern density at 32 yards; with 296 being the clear winner. For skeet, there isn't as much difference and 2400 is also fine. Also, hulls lasted longer with 296 as compared to 2400.

    As stated above, 296 is a fine ball powder and will want to leak out of every space on your reloader that it possibly can. The red plastic PC baffle (with no other washer used at all) will do the best job of sealing. On the plus side, your powder charges will hold very consistent whether your powder bottle in totally full or only half full as 296 meters very well.

    I have been so happy with 296 that I have not tried any of the newer powders ----perhaps one is much better, but I don't know. When I started loading them, 296 (and the identical H110) and 2400 and IMR4227 were pretty much it as far as powders. 4227 is so bulky as to be mostly useless in the 410. 2400 is fine for skeet, but 296 is good for skeet and also much better for any longer distance SC targets.
     
  14. halfmile

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    I'm using the 820 surplus powder, it is dense and fine grained.

    I use 13 grains, it is very similar to Accurate No. 9.

    H110/296 also, about 15 grains. That one takes up more room.

    HM
     
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    I have used AA #9 for many years in magnum handgun loads. At one time, AA showed data for #9 in the 410. Now, they have another powder out and no longer list it. #9 worked well in the 410.

    Patterning the 410 is the source of nightmares. Those patterns look TERRIBLE.

    I have some LIL GUN left over from the day. When it is gone, I will go to 296/H110.
     
  16. CalvinMD

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    My patterns got much better with Scot 4100...it works like Green dot in a 12ga
     
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