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.410 guys....question

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by shooter66, Dec 18, 2009.

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  1. shooter66

    shooter66 TS Member

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    So I picked the boy a cheap .410 (hes 9 and a little guy and the 20ga is just a touch to much right now). Not having shot a .410 for decades I need some advice on some field loads.

    We will be out shooting some pheasants (pen birds) and bunnies over xmas break...looking for some suggestions.

    2 1/2 1235 ft ps 1/2oz (6 shot) or 3 inch 1100 fps 3/4oz (6 shot)?

    Im leaning toward the 3 inch 3/4 oz stuff....but Im willing to listen to any advice!

    Scott
     
  2. halfmile

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    The velocity difference is negligible, but 50 per cent more shot is my choice.

    Hang on to your wallet.

    HM
     
  3. shooter66

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    Man your not kidding either way it aint gonna be cheap! I couldnt believe what they get for a box....must be solid gold shot...lol
     
  4. Barry C. Roach

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    .410 is an expert's gun. Load down some 20's. He'll be much better off.
     
  5. Jawhawker

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    I've always liked the 2.5" over the 3".

    Walmart has the 2.5" for $6.97 a box. I believe thats the cheapest you'll find.
     
  6. shooter66

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    He has 20ga currently (shot his first turkey with it last fall)...when I say little guy read as in 55lbs...its not the recoil that gets to him its the gun wieght itself. He is pretty wore out after a pass or 2 through a field. I dont want him to be turned off on the sport because hes tired. As well I dont want to invest 500.00 + into a gun he is going to grow out of in a few years.

    I figured this little .410 will let him develop as a shooter without learning bad habits because he struggling with the gun weight. If he can handle the gun and have fun...its a win win in my book!!

    One day I will stumble onto a nice 1100 LT 20 Gauge for a steal and pick it up. I had a 20ga 1187 youth sporting in my hand last week very nice youth gun...but you pay for it.
     
  7. shaner

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    i wouldnt worry to much about the equipment, just gettin him out with a new gun and having a good hunting experience is the main thing go and enjoy!!!!
     
  8. Jawhawker

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    Don't worry about the neysayers and a 410 for your son... I used one as a kid and did just fine. Him being out and enjoying the time with you and the outdoors is the main thing at this point.

    If you haven't already purchased a 410, take alook at the Mossberg pump. Walmart did have them but I haven't looked for quite awhile. A friend of mine got one for Christmas a few years back and its a neat lil gun for the money. Oh by the way, this friend is 49....
     
  9. wolfram

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    For some reason the 2 1/2" shells seem to perform better. The 20 count boxes of Remington game loads are available at most walmarts for about $7, and you can get them with #6 shot. That is about the lowest cost .410 shell outside of handloads. I have used those shells on cottontails to good effect, the thing is you need to be fairly close to the target - 20 yards is the effective limit. Take your time and get the little guy in position where he can make a good shot and you will both come away with big smiles.

    Also, good plan on looking for that LT20 M1100 for later on. I got one for my daughter and it is working out great for her. I found a youth dimension synthetic stock from a TS.com'er which really made the gun manageable for her small stature. Gun weight is an important consideration for these young shooters.
     
  10. Setterman

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    I disagree on the statements about the 3" not shooting well. I use both 2 1/2 and 3" #8 or 7.5 for dove hunting, and the range with the 3" is much better. I use a AYA 30" SxS M/F. Throw some 3"r's in there and let'r happen.
     
  11. nailer123

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    I started with a 410 single shot it was good on bunnys .Then for my 11 birthday dad got me a bolt action 410 still have it and love it.Plan on giving it to my 4 year old when he is 9 0r 10 .I shot my first Pheasaint with it i still think it was the biggest bird i evershot Go with the 410 he will love it.It is not about how many you shoot it is all about the fun of being in the field with your dad . I still hunt with my dad and i always bring up that first bird when we drive by the spot.Have fun KIrk
     
  12. RobertT

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    I used to be an expert and then I out grew my 410. Find some old paper shells and he'll be hooked for life.

    Robert
     
  13. halfmile

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    Well, you have lots of options. Here's what I did. I bought a youth gun for my boy, and sold it without any trouble later. This was an 1100 LT-20.

    My brother in law bought the regular LT-20 and got a youth stock for it so he could switch it when the kid grew. He also sold the stock easily.

    I loaded some 3/4 oz 20's with 7625 to start, the 3rd box was standard 7/8 oz as he was good to go by then.

    For hunting purposes the 20 gas gun is very effective while still having a recoil advantage.

    The 3/4 oz 20 will be better than the 28 because of the gas operation. (not to dis the 28)

    All depends on how many guns you want to have around.

    HM
     
  14. copper

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    I hunted a lot with a 410 42 winchester years ago always bought 3in #6 for every thing need the extra BB,S worked fine
     
  15. Bill Hom

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    For what it's worth, I hunt club birds exclusively with a Winchester model 42 - 410 full choke. I buy winchester super speed extra 1/2 oz #6 shells that are 1275 fps. from wal-mart. I have found that these 2 1/2" loads pattern better and kill cleaner then the slower 3" 11/16 oz. shells. I am fortunate to shoot over an exceptional pointer. Even when I don't crush the birds, they can't get away from my dog. It will killed roosters stone dead at 40 yards if I do my part. Your boy should have plenty of time if he will be shooting over a good pointer. I also agree with letting him practice on skeet field station 7 low house birds. Bill Hom
     
  16. Mr. Charles

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    A 410 is a great little gun. When I was a youngster I harvested many a rabbit and quail with one. I hunted squirrels with a Savage 410-22 over and under. Use the 3", # 6 shot or on pen birds 7 1/2 or 8 shot. Two ways to ruin a new youth shooter is a gun that is ill fitting, IE: too long, or too heavy, and too much recoil.

    I have worked as an instructor for the Ill Dept of Natural Resources for several years. As a certified instructor, with kids 10 thru 16 years old, I find many, that the 28ga. 1100's are too heavy for. I think you made a wise choice. Find a home trap and set it up for the shot he needs and turn him loose.

    If you will E-Mail me an address I will ship your son 3 boxes of Winchester, 3" # 6 game loads. Free. Try them and if they don't work you have lost nothing.

    mc
     
  17. EuroJoe

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    He's too young and too small to start now, wait a couple years. You may ruin it for him forever.
     
  18. Mr. Charles

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    Weight, size, strength, and gun, not age.

    mc
     
  19. 223

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    I've used a .410 Wingmaster and 1100 auto for years. I only use 3" x 7-1/2's and I buy the largest amount of shot they have on the shelf. Pen birds are easy, but you'd better be behind a good dog on real birds. Lots of luck, It's alot of fun giving the bird a chance.

    Drew Waller
     
  20. shooter66

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    Mr. Charles you have mail....and thank you for your kindness sir.

    EuroJoe....I dont agree with you. I began shooting at 7yrs old with a shotgun and 5yrs old with a bb gun. My boy has already shot a Turkey (shotgun) and a Deer (crossbow) at age 8...he loves shooting and hunting. He passed his Hunter Saftey test at age 8 ON HIS OWN with no help from Dad. He sat through both 8 hours days of class and studied all night in between the days. He has earned his right to hunt and shoot in my book. Not to mention the bonding time I get with him as well as the respect he has for weapons I beleive to be priceless. Not taking him with me when I shoot or hunt would break his heart and is not an option.


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