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401K's next up for gov't takeover

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by wireguy, May 4, 2010.

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  1. wireguy

    wireguy TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    I have been saying for some time that the government would sieze everyone's 401K's at some point, just like they stold all the social security revenues above payout, and for the same reason. Here's the story from Human Events:

    Republicans Sound Alarm on Administration Plan to Seize 401(k)s
    by Connie Hair


    In February, the White House released its “Annual Report on the Middle Class” containing new regulations favored by Big Labor including a bailout of critically underfunded union pension plans through “retirement security” options.

    The radical solution most favored by Big Labor is the seizure of private 401(k) plans for government disbursement -- which lets them off the hook for their collapsing retirement scheme. And, of course, the Obama administration is eager to accommodate their buddies.

    Vice President Joe Biden floated the idea, called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” (GRAs), in the February “Middle Class” report.

    In conjunction with the report’s release, the Obama administration jointly issued through the Departments of Labor and Treasury a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options” in the form of a notice to the public of proposed issuance of rules and regulations. (pdf)

    House Republican Leader John Boehner (Ohio) and a group of House Republicans are mounting an effort to fight back.

    The American people have become painfully aware over the past year that elections sometimes have calamitous consequences. Republicans lack the votes (for now) to reign in the Obama administration’s myriad nationalization plans for everything from health care to the automobile industry.

    Now the backdoor bulls-eye is on your 401(k) plan and the trillions of dollars the government would control through seizure, regulation and federal disbursement of mandatory retirement accounts.

    Boehner and the group are sounding the alarm, warning bureaucrats to keep their hands off of America’s private retirement plans.

    Just when you thought it was safe to come up for air after the government takeover of health care.

    The entirety of the House GOP Savings Recovery Group letter outling the issue that was sent last night to the Labor and Treasury secretaries:

    The Honorable Hilda L. Solis
    U.S. Department of Labor
    200 Constitution Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20210

    The Honorable Timothy Geithner
    U.S. Department of the Treasury
    1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, DC 20210

    Dear Secretaries Solis and Geithner:

    As members of the Republican Savings Solutions Group, we write today to express our strong opposition to any proposal to eliminate or federalize private-sector defined contribution pension plans, such as 401(k)s, or impose burdensome new requirements upon the businesses, large and small, who choose to offer these plans to their employees.

    In the Annual Report of the White House Task Force on the Middle Class, Vice President Biden discussed at length the creation of so-called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts, (GRAs)” which would provide for protection from “inflation and market risk” and potentially “guarantee a specified real return above the rate of inflation” -- presumably at taxpayer expense. In the Report, the Vice President recommended “further study of these issues.”

    The Vice President’s comments are troubling, insofar as they come on the heels of testimony before Congress from supporters of GRAs proposing to eliminate the favorable tax treatment currently afforded to 401(k) plans, and instead use those dollars to fund government-invested GRAs into which all employees would be required to contribute a portion of their salary -- again, with a government subsidy. These advocates would, essentially, dismantle the present private-sector 401(k) system, replacing it instead with a government-run investment plan, the size and scope of which remain to be seen. This despite data showing that 90 percent of households have a favorable opinion of the existing 401(k)/IRA system.

    In light of these facts, we write today to express our opposition in the strongest terms to any effort to “nationalize” the private 401(k) system, or any proposal that would dismantle or disfavor the private 401(k) system in favor of a government-run retirement security regime.

    Similarly, and more recently, the Departments of Labor and Treasury have jointly issued a “Request for Information” regarding the “annuitization” of 401(k) plans through “Lifetime Income Options.” While we appreciate the Departments’ seeking guidance and information from all parties and stakeholders in advance of regulatory activity, we strongly urge that the Departments not proceed with any regulation in this area before they have carefully and thoroughly considered all of the information received.

    More specifically, we urge that the Departments take no action to mandate that plan sponsors -- often, small businesses -- include a “lifetime income” or “annuitization” option if they choose to offer a 401(k) plan to their employees, or that beneficiaries take some or all of their retirement savings in such an option. Data shows that 70 percent of Americans oppose the concept of a mandated annuity or government payout of their 401(k) plan. On a more fundamental level, Congress should not be in the business of choosing “winners” and “losers” among retirement security stakeholders. Instead, we urge the Departments to make it easier for employers to include retirement income solutions in their savings plans and to help workers learn more about the value of their retirement savings as a source of retirement income. Finally, to the extent new mandates and bureaucratic red tape from Washington push small employers out of the business of offering these plans to their employees, we would submit such an effort weakens, rather than strengthens retirement security.

    We appreciate your consideration of our views in these important matters and stand ready to work with you and the Administration to promote secure and adequate retirement savings for all Americans.


    House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH)
    Rep. John Kline (R-MN)
    Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI)
    Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX)
    Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV)
    Rep. Brett Guthrie (R-KY)
    Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN)
    Rep. Pat Tiberi (R-OH)
    Rep. Bob Latta (R-OH)
    Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-MN)
    Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS)
    Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA)
    Rep. Buck McKeon (R-CA)
  2. crusha

    crusha TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Does anybody see what's happening in Greece?

    ...or Spain?

    ...or Portugal?

    ....or Ireland?

    ...or Italy?

    They all have higher taxes than America. And they're all broke.

    But a movement which has as its premise, avoiding this fate for America - are called tea-party wackos?

    No, I think it's the other side that has some explaining to do.
  3. trapshooterjoe7

    trapshooterjoe7 Member

    Jan 15, 2007
    NOW its TIME to STORM DC>>>>>>>>>>> I am not a fighter, but that makes me boil..
  4. Damifino

    Damifino Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Prior Lake, MN
    I've thought about this a bit over the last few months - These rumors have permiated the surface a few times in different discussions. I don't think there will be a siezure of 401(k)/retirement assests. The government can effectivly do the same thing without actually taking your money by simply printing more dollars. (The ensuing revoltion not withstanding.)

    Here's how it works: Say, for example the govt. owes 10 trillion dollars to various holders (China, Russia, US investors and others) in the form of bonds. One day, they decide to just print 10 trillion dollars in money and subsequently pay off the debt. This instantly creats a huge infusion of currency into the market causing tremendous inflation (too many dollars chasing too few goods). Overnight, every dollar we have saved or invested is reduced in value, or buying power. So, the value of the currency printed is, in effect, offset by the reduced value of the existing currency. (They just went into your savings without you knowing it). It's called monitizing debt. See how well this has worked for Greece.

    The trick is to introduce the printed cash into the system under some cover... Say, a stimulus package. Inflation insues, the value of the money the govt. already owes is diminished. Inflation is actually the debtors friend in this case. The borrower has purchased items with old dollars (with value) and pay back with new (valueless dollars).

    Just my thoughts - I welcome additions and other ideas.
  5. H82MIS

    H82MIS TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
  6. trapshooterjoe7

    trapshooterjoe7 Member

    Jan 15, 2007
    That would be THEFT, and you know what we do to thieves, short rope from a tall tree..
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