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391 POI solutions, Part 1.

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Tron, Jul 29, 2007.

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  1. Tron

    Tron Supporting Vendor Supporting Vendor

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    Well...as many of you know, I started on this site a few years back with absolutely NO intension of EVER shooting Trap and especially registered. Along the way, I met a few of you and decided "what the heck, I'll join the ATA". I had long since sold my BT99 (it beat the hell out of me, used it for league shooting) and needed to go to an auto loader, due to shoulder problems. To make a very long story short, I purchased the 2nd Angleport package gun sold (well, that's what they told me anyway) back in 2000 and decided that I was going to be a "One gun man" and use that for Trap shooting.

    The way my gun was set up, it shot very flat. It had a 28" low rib Sporting barrel and my first year of Trap was an absolute disaster...not as easy as I thought it would be. I needed to make some changes, so, I cut an adjustable comb into and raised the drop at heal in an attempt to raise the POI, and it worked...to a limited degree. I now had a real nice 60/40 pattern with the 28" barrel and my scored did improve...slightly (pictured).

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    I tried a friends 32" barrel and I really liked the sight plain on it for Trap targets....SO, I started playing around with different Trap barrels until I found a 32" that shot nice and straight and I went ahead. The problem was, with the higher rib, that lowered my POI right back to where I started!! I raised the comb and that really didn't seem to make much of a difference. No matter, I went ahead and shot with that set up and did "OK", but handicap shooting really kicked my ass. I needed to raise the POI (32" pictured).
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    All the while, I had a back-up gun...a 391 Parallel target that I always used as the experimental gun. I got to thinking..."Forget the one gun for everything way of thinking and make up a Trap gun".

    This was the end result to raise POI: An adjustable rib barrel from Dennis DeVault-
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    Before I go any further, this is how I set up my guns. I like a lot of cast off, and in order for me to get the desired cast, I doubled the shims. In this case I used a T40-DX and a C50-DX. You CAN double shims, but you must oblong the stock shim hole in the dirrection of desired cast or drop.
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    Oblonging washer with a rat-tail file-
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    Result-
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    I also like a heavier gun. To balance it the way I wanted, I installed a stock weight in place of the stock bolt (courtisy of Don Verna)-
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    Also, I use a mercury filled end cap in conjunction with a custom made lead slug that I fit into the end of the receiver tube. This is done by drilling a 7/8" hole into a piece of 2x4, filling it with lead, bust open the 2x4, cut to desired length and then taping it up-
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    This is a typical pattern from my standard 32" Trap barrel-

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    Now with the DeVault adjustable rib. It's about an 80/20 pattern-

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    The gun-

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    I do apologize for how poorly this thread was written...I did it in haste, but I think you get the point. I have not shot any registered targets with this set up yet, but judging from practice rounds, it does look promising.

    Tron.
     
  2. Jerbear

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    Not to mention that great taped palm swell.

    Nice job buddy..... Shot with you last weekend with it and you hit everything you shot at.

    Jerbear
     
  3. foghorn220

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    Tron looks like you got a real trap gun now wished you could make it to the grand to try it out.

    Good Job

    Foghorn
     
  4. Tron

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    That's a "Hand-Eez" stick on palm swell. The only problem is that they really don't stick on very well, you have to use tennis racket tape.

    As for you Mr. Shootlow, 870's are for woosies.

    Tron.
     
  5. Tron

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    I thought you would have forgotten about that Pat. It must have been pretty funny watching that field 870 beat the snot out of me. I didn't see you laughing, but I did notice a smirk.

    Tron.
     
  6. foghorn220

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    shootlow:

    Well Tron did have one of my guns in the past along with a few barrels but no I have to say I don't own a 391 just a 303 but I sure would love to have my old T.A. 870 back because it was my first real trap gun and it was a soft shooter straight from the factory.

    Foggy
     
  7. timb99

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    Looks like a clay killing machine, Joe.

    Hope you shoot well with it!

    Tim
     
  8. Tron

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    I'm not an official "Trap shooter" yet Jack.....I still don't have card board on the sides of my shooting glasses.

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  9. BT99er

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    Tron= You need to get some overhang on that belt to be a real trapshooter LOL!!!!
     
  10. cuzy

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    I thought I was the only that had the problem with the 391. I recently put on the add-on rib but it didn't shoot more then 60/40. I wish I would've saw your thread two-weeks ago, it looks like you did a hell of a job on your barrel. Is your barrel an optimal barrel? If so, would you consider a trade, I have a 32-inch optimal barrel and a Remington 1100 trap with a skeet barrel also for trade. I would appreciate a message back, might need more information or could I call you? Thank you - Frank
     
  11. Tron

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    Frank, I just got this barrel...not real interested in getting rid of it. You can send your barrel to Dennis DeVault and have him add an adjustable rib to yours if you like. As for your add on rib, if it's not pitched, your POI will be lower than what it was before.

    You can Email me if you like (remove X's)

    Tron.
     
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