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38 Colt Pistol Automatic ammunition

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by BryanF, Jan 12, 2013.

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  1. BryanF

    BryanF Active Member

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    I am going through all of the ammunition that I have and I came across a box of Remington 38 Colt Pistol 130 grain M.C. Automatic ammunition. I have never had pistol for this and I am curious about it. It is rimless and shorter than a 38 special but the same length as the 38 Super. Was there a 1911 framed Colt 38?

    Thanks for any info.

    Bryan
     
  2. Shooting Coach

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    This is "standard velocity" 38 Super. Same case and dimensions, but the 38 ACP is loaded to 28,000 PSI, while the 38 Super is loaded to 35,000+ PSI.

    If you have a whole box, I would put it up for sale.

    Post scripted to mention it was for a straight-blowback Colt pistol.
     
  3. larry1912

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    the .38 acp,(automatic colt pistol), was introduced in 1900, for the John Browning designed colt auto pistols of, 1900, 1902, 1903. production of the 1903 pocket hammer ended in 1929. in 1930, colt introduced the .38 super, which was for the government model only.
     
  4. Hammer1

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    Didn't Colt make a 1911 for the 38 ACP (not the 380 Auto or the 38 Super) before they introduced the 38 Super ?

    Dimensionally, this 38 ACP was the same as the later 38 Super.

    Perhaps this is what is being referred to as the standard velocity 38 Super in a previous posting.

    This 38 ACP I am referring to was not in blowback pistols but true 1911 pistols.

    Have not heard of any blowback autos that used bullets as heavy as 130 grains, but I learn something new everyday.

    Somewhat related, wasn't there a 1908 Colt blowback pistol ?

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  5. Smithy47

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    BryanF, I think if you look close, the case is not rimless. The .38 ACP and the .38 Super Automatic have a rimmed case (Case is .384" and the rim is .406".

    I used to shoot the 38 super in IPSC competition and it was a grest cartridge. You could shoot up to 160 grain bullets but I later went to the 130 grain with a higher velocity. This made the comp. on the end of the barrel work better, no muzzle flip.

    It looks like the .38 ACP had a lower velocity up to 1030 fps with a 115 gr bullet but the 38 Super can get 1374 fps with the same bullet.

    The cartridge dim. are the same for both.
     
  6. BryanF

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    Shooting Coach, thanks

    Smithy47, you are correct. I just measured a couple and they are .400/.404 at the rim and .380 / .384 at the case. Thanks for the info!

    Joe Schmo, not really looking to sell, just curious as to what I have.

    Bryan
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yup, very slight rim. I used to shoot both from well constructed, heavy duty .38 Special and .357 Revolvers.
     
  8. larry1912

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    Hammer1; colt did not make a 1911 (government model), in .38acp, the .38acp round ended life in 1929 when production of the 1902, and 1903 autos ended. you can shoot .38acp in a .38 super gun, but do not shoot .38 supers in the early .38acp autos. the colt 1908 pocket hammerless .380 is considered a blowback design.
     
  9. Haskins Bill

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    So the moral of this thread is ask and research to truly find out what is what. The previous post also inserted data about the .380 which initialy was known as the 9mm Browning Short when it was introduced in Europe in 1912 and was added to the Colt Automatic pistol line in 1908. Above is from a Catridges of the Wrold by Frank Barnes. Confused yet? Yes the orgianl question was about the 38 ACP as it is known. Yes the 38 ACP and the later 1929 introduced 38 Colt Super Automatic are dimensionaly identical. As mentioned previously the 38 ACP can be used in the 38 Super but do not shoot Supers in a 38 ACP pocket pistol. Too much pressure!! Now for a great story. I bought a Colt Mustang .380 pistol from a fellow I used to work with. Here he says, is the box of ammo I got to go with it. He never fired it, he bought the pistol brand new from a dealer. They sold him a box of 38 Colt Super Automatic for it!!!!!!!It is Winchester and it says right on the box end, For use only in 38 Colt Super and Colt Commander Automatic pistols. Of course the supers are a bit larger diameter on the case and rim and being about .300 of an inch longer he sure would have been surprised his cartridges did not fit. I did not have the heart to tell him at the time he had the wrong cartidges as I wanted the Mustang and did not want to embarass him.
     
  10. Rick Barker

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    Okay, let me add to the confusion.

    Bullet diameters

    380/9MM. Is .355

    38ACP is .356

    38Super is .356

    38spl/357mag is .357

    And the 38S&W is .361

    MidwayUSA is selling 38ACP on line for around 23.00 for 20, Parabellum Research 30.00 for 100, but show out of stock. An original box of Remington?????
     
  11. BryanF

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    Rick,<br>
    Yes


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    Bryan
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Haskins Bill, how about this one... I was at a local sporting goods store when an old guy brought in a .308 rifle with "something wrong with it". There was a .30-06 cartridge jammed in the chamber. The base of the cartridge was beaten up.

    The old guy went to buy some .30 caliber "deer bullets" and wound up with a box of .30-06 instead of .308. The bolt not being able to close was apparently only a slight problem to his masterful mechanical skills and keen sense of engineering.

    He removed the bolt, put a piece of waterpipe behind the cartridge, and beat the crap out of the pipe with a hammer. The only reason it didn't blow up is because the pipe was hollow and didn't touch the primer.
     
  13. Rick Barker

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    BryanF

    Sorry, poor sentence structure on my part, I was repeating your question as to value. That is a good question. I was not doubting your claim, but thanks for posting pic, perhaps it gives a collector a better it idea of the value of your box.
     
  14. Haskins Bill

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    Brian just amazing!!!
     
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