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  1. jbbor

    jbbor Active Member

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    How do you tell if the factory mods have been done to a 3200? Jimmy Borum
     
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    Hope this helps.
     
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    The early Model 3200 shotguns just had the dog roll stamped on the sides of the receiver. These guns had three pins through the rear of the receiver -- a small one just below the sliding breech cover/bolt, and two larger ones. These are the guns of concern. When the modifications were done during production the roll stamp on the sides of the receiver included a wreath around the dog. Still later the pin at the lower rear of the receiver was eliminated. Also, if you look inside the receiver with the barrels removed at the standing breech, if there is an allen head screw at each bottom corner, the gun has the modification. Here's a pic that's not in the best focus but will show you what the allen screws look like

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    Mike
     
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    Where does it identify a 3200 as being a trap model. A friend has one he wants to sell and it does not say "Trap" anywhere we can find. It has a fairly high straight stock and 2 3/4 inch chambers. Jimmy Borum
     
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    It may be the live-bird gun, too. They are unmarked, but had a parallel stock.

    If it is a real late serial number ... over 40,000, it may not be marked anyhow, but USUALLY, 'Trap' is marked over the chamber on the left side of the top barrel.

    The 'factory' upgrades/mods happened about 26,000, and like Mike said, are identifiable by being 2-pin, without the back pin above the trigger.

    The step-rib on a 30" bbl is a good tipoff, too, as are the chokes if it is either Trap or Boxbird.

    Bob
     
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    At least some of the first year production of the 3200 trap guns were not marked trap. I have one that I ordered as soon as the 3200 add came out. You could order them with a straight stock with trap dimensions or with a monte carlo stock. All of the trap guns had the step ribbed barrels. Your choice on the trap model, unless special ordered from the custom shop was: 30 or 32 inch barrels, full and imp. modified, or full and full, straight or monte carlo stock, or the Special Trap (stamped on the barrel) which had upgraded wood as standard from the factory, and the One of 1,000 was available also as was the option to upgrade the wood to whatever you wanted on the plain trap model. The field model in different configurations and the skeet model were also available.

    I believe the modifications done to the 3200's from the factory, on new guns, came at about the 30,000 serial number, and the lower rear pin that originally held the tang in, was no longer visible on the action due to the addition of the allen head screws that held the tang in place. There are examples of first year guns that were returned for upgrades, that had the receiver and tang replaced and were restamped with the original serial number by the factory. Probably done to keep from creating more paper work with the customer regarding FFL stuff on a serial number change. I have seen more of the upgraded guns that were returned to the factory that still show the tang pin in the receiver, however, that pin was cut off on both ends and the holes in the receiver were plugged with the original ends that had been cut off since the pin was no longer needed to hold the tang due to the installation of the allen screws in the breech face below the lower firing pin. Those screws are tapped into the front end of the tang to hold it in place. There were also other internal changes made in the action when the upgrade was done.

    The live bird, or pigeon guns that I have seen or own, did not have the step rib barrel, they were 28 inch barrels with the field style rib, and had an outline of a pigeon engraved into the front part of the tang. There were some that came out of the Custom Shop in the 1990's that had special order barrels different in configuration to what the original pigeon guns had, due to the customer ordering custom barrels, etc., but still had the engraved pigeon on the bottom of the tang.

    As far as the wreath around the dog on the receiver, I don't believe that had anything to do with the upgrades, and was just a cosmetic addition. There are examples of guns without the upgrade that had the wreath as will as the early guns that had just the dog without the wreath and without the upgrade.

    One must remember that the Remington added different models over the 7 or 8 years they were in normal production. The Custom Shop would, and did, make a lot of variations at the customers request, and the custom shop did make some 3200's as late as the middle to late 1990's.
     
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