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2nd Amendment?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by matttrapn, May 19, 2010.

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  1. matttrapn

    matttrapn Active Member

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    I've been getting e-mails stating,

    "Obama Finds Legal Way Around 2nd Amendment".

    I think, I have copied and pasted what I've recieved. Does anyone have a more clear idea on this??????

    Matt Nicol

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    While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

    OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT

    AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE could BE WAR


    On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a
    Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States

    On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.

    Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!
    THIS IS NOT A JOKE NOR A FALSE WARNING.
    As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here




    Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..
    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015 <http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015>
     
  2. jimrich60

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    This was just recently a thread (last week and continuing). No, the administration cannot supercede the Constitution through some treaty. In the first place, a treaty is not valid unless and until the Senate confirms it, no matter what the administration wants. Want to take odds on the Senate confirming any such treaty? Secondly, the so-called UN treaty has been around for many years now, and no administration (from Clinton onward) has taken it very seriously, or even proposed it to the Senate. While there is little doubt Obama would love somehow to ban private ownership of firearms, senior Democrats from Clinton on down have for years acknowledged that such Dem attempts to limit guns (i.e. the Clinton ban on "assaut weapons" for instance) were one of the major factors that cost the Dems control of Congress in 1994. Whatever Obama wants, the Dems will not commit political suicide over gun control at this point in time.

    Jim R
     
  3. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Phooey!

    Curt
     
  4. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

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    jimrich60

    "Want to take odds on the Senate confirming any such treaty?"

    Jim is that the same Senate that just voted for a Health Care Law that over 60% of the voters were against?????

    Bob Lawless
     
  5. Fast Oil

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    A quote from a recent NRA President, "...from my cold dead hand!"
     
  6. jimrich60

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    Bob:

    Yes, the Dem Senate passed the so-called healthcare bill in spite of the people, nor do I trust any demoncrat as far as a baby could throw them. But they actually believed that they could get away with that. From every bit of info I can gather, and years in D.C. myself, the most important thing to most of them, is retaining their personal power. And most dems, at least privately, will acknowledge that gun control is a vote killer. At least with the "healthcare" they could convince many that they would get something for free. Not so with gun control. That is why it has been, and is, no where on the dem agenda at present. Not to say that if, somehow, the dems retain their power after the 2010 elections, they will not be emboldened to then go after guns. Indeed, I think they would in that case. But not this year, an election year.

    Jim R
     
  7. matttrapn

    matttrapn Active Member

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    Thank you for your insight!!!
     
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