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2nd amendment right gone forever?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Shootrman, May 16, 2010.

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  1. Shootrman

    Shootrman Member

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    I just recieved an email that Hillary Clinton just signed a small arms agreement which will eventually take our guns away. I was asked to find out through the NRA if this is true. There's alot more smarter people out there that know how do look into this. Can someone find out if this is true? Here is a copy of the email:
    Subject: Very, Very, Serious Warning


    While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.

    OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT.

    IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR


    On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States


    On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States . The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.


    Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present!

    THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING.

    As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better. View The Full Article Here


    Click on the link below for further acknowledgement…..

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015




    Please forward this message to others who may be concerned about the direction in which our country is headed. This is a very serious matter! Silence will lead us to Socialism!!!
     
  2. Jim101

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    The senate has to ratify any treaty before it is binding on the nation. They can sign all they want and it don't mean squat untill ratified.


    Jim
     
  3. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    I'll bet one dollar that Barrack wont sign it.
     
  4. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    Not signed....
     
  5. jimrich60

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    The right to keep and bear arms cannot be taken away by the government. It is one of the rights that were recognized by the framers of our Constitution as in
    "all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among them......" The Second Amendment does not grant us any right. Actually, it was simply written to forbid the government from interfering with this creator endowed right. No treaty or pact, or agreement by the government can take away that right. Only "We, the People" can ever give up that right.

    Jim R
     
  6. b12

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    Jimrich60,

    Sounds good on paper and put into words but I really think on this sight their is probably only a hand full of all the shooters in the ata that have the guts to stand and back the constitution up.
    I wish to be wrong and if I were that SOB in the whitehouse would have empeachment preceedings already put foward by the people.
     
  7. Porcupine

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    "We, the People" will have the Second Amendment as well as all other rights and priviliges of being Americans only as long as we are willing to defend them with our lives, our fortunes and our scared honor. Our grandchildren's America will be vastly different from the America that we grew up in if we allow it to be. I think it's most important for the young people of today to truly understand the meaning and importance of those three words .... "We, the People".

    LA in MA
     
  8. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    Only applies in "Hillaryville"
     
  9. jimrich60

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    The "right" will always exist. It came from our creator, and can only be taken away by that creator. It is as noted, "inalienable." Certainly, if the people permit it, even passively, the government may infringe upon, or may even deny these rights for a time, but the right will always be there, waiting for the people to reassert it, as did our Founding Fathers.

    Jim R
     
  10. Bisi

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    Guys, who is going to stand up and defend our rights?? Most Americans don't give a dam, they are fat and happy. As long as they can drive to Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, McDonalds, Arbys, etal and get a bag full of food and then come home and turn on the 60" flat screen tv they are happy.

    Do 90% of em care if Ojackass wipes his rear with the 2nd amendment or if Pelosi rolls up the Declartion and uses it for a tampon??? No, no, hell no, as long as Nascar is on every Sunday till September when football will then be on 24/7 then the real fun can start. Then it will be sports bar time 4 or 5 times a week. Saturday - college day, Sunday all day NFL, Monday night game, and now even a Thursday night game.

    Again most don't care. Just don't let the sports bars run out of pizza, wings, chili, beer specials and things will just be hunky dorey with them.
     
  11. Don Steele

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    The United Nations had best start passing out a BUNCH of those pretty blue helmets if they plan to send troops here to collect our guns.
     
  12. Lobo

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    The NRA is our best defense right now. SEND MONEY. We must control the Senate in 2010. If you don't think it can happen to us, look at Europe. Remember primer shortage? It is that easy. Blow up an oil rig and as powder plant. Think about it.
     
  13. Unknown1

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    <blockquote><I>"The "right" will always exist. It came from our creator, and can only be taken away by that creator. It is as noted, "inalienable."</I></blockquote>

    Maybe in your universe, not in mine. A creator had nothing to do with it.

    This concept of "inalienable rights" (life liberty and the pursuit of happiness ONLY) was created by the men who put together the Declaration of Independence (NOT the Constitution) as a arrogant statement of defiance against King George II and a challenge to the government and control of England. It was not a statement of constitutional law nor an expression of any religious doctrine that existed then or now. No religion's creator gives its followers the right to carry a gun.

    Removal of the 2nd amendment will require a constitutional amendment and I can't think of one politician in this country at present who has the nerve or support to even propose one.

    MK
     
  14. jimrich60

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    Go back and re-read the Declaration. You will find that it actually says "that they (all men) are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, AMONG THEM, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The Declaration most certainly does not limit those rights to only those three, they are only "examples". Then go back and re-read the Second Amendment. I think you will find that once again, the Founding Fathers understood what "rights" are, and where they come from (not from government) when they plainly stated that "the RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
    Clearly, they expressed that this "right" was and is, pre-existing, and simply wanted to ensure that government could not infringe (modify or deny) it. If in doubt of this, then read the Fderalist Papers. If you have a problem with a Creator, that's fine. Simply remember that the "rights" we are talking about are basic, inherent rights that belong to all people, are not subject to the whims of governments, and cannot be taken away by such. They can be suppressed of course (for a period of time) but only if the people allow such denial, and do not act to prevent it.

    Jim R
     
  15. spitter

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    Whoa.... lets keep international treaties, the DOI and the Constitution separate and clear.

    The 2nd Amendment is just that... an add-on. Like prohibition and its repeal... requires a Super Majority of STATES to ratify, not the people... at this time - as was said earlier... since the dems only control 8-9 large urban populations, they would not have the ability to float, let alone pass a far-left constitutional amendment.

    International treaties are only valid for international business... domestic affairs are the domain of a nation's laws within a nation's borders, unless the intervening country happens to be the USA.... (lol) - we aeem hell-bent on telling everyone else what to do!

    In reality... the Fed should have no right to dictate the business of any state confined within its own borders...

    regards all,

    Jay
     
  16. halfmile

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    If you do not have a right to defend yourself, you are less than free.

    Only free people can own weapons.

    We all know that, but the guy next door might not.

    I am lucky enough to live in a state where the annual deer hunt supersedes Nascar, WWF, and NFL. There are a lot of non gun people around, but they all know we are there.

    In the large urban areas this is not the case. Gun fear is fostered by those who wish to take charge of your life, so they themselves may stay in the elite status they have claimed.

    While we still have a vote they need to be banished from our government.

    HM
     
  17. Paladin

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    The sky didn't fall, but the country is far worse off since that laughing socialist jester that is defacing our White House got elected, and is not bright enough to understand that the country realizes that it made a huge mistake by electing the cuss.

    The republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.
     
  18. RJ

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    I was in the understanding that Congress had to ratify any and alltreaties. Hu!!! Rich. (in Az.)
     
  19. jpinto101

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    not true. look it up on snopes whenever you have a question at to authenticity
     
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    If you look at the upper right side of the article you will see a date,,,,October 14, 2009,,,,think this is a little BEFORE, "While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, Hillary Clinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN."
     
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