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2nd Amendment attack - Here they come---

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by grnberetcj, Feb 5, 2009.

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  1. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Here they come, ready or not. Feel the water getting warmer?


    Are you ready for the House Bill titled 'HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009'. It will make it illegal to own a firearm unless it is registered with the database in Washington D.C. As a gun owner you will have to be finger printed, you will be required to provide your DL#, SS#, you must maintain a valid address at all times, submit to mental and physical health records being put on file, you will also be required to file any address changes and any ownership changes even if a private sale. Each update will cost $25 and if you fail to comply you will lose your right to own firearms. This bill and its language mirror almost completely one defeated last year in the House of Representatives by soon to be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Will we the citizenry be as lucky this time?


    Pass this on to everyone who believes in strict Constitutionalism and remember that laws only apply to those who obey them. Criminals by definition and nature do not abide by laws. New laws and restrictions only apply to the law abiding citizen and are not written with the criminal in mind. With guns, it is not about having laws on the books to prosecute individuals, it is about taking guns away from the people so that no one has them in the first place. One last item to note, when assuming power and creating a facist state, Hitler was a proponent of strong gun laws because a disarmed populace was much easier to control than an armed one. The kings of old also outlawed weapons of any kind in any region that they conquered to quell the ability of the citizens to uprise against them.


    The Founding Fathers of this nation understood all of the above and because of this they included the second amendment in the constitution. In fact, they knew that at some point in every society's life span that the need for the population to arise came about. To this end they made the right to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical state an absolute right that could not be revoked. They did this because the first thing tyrants and despots do is to remove a population's right to defend themselves When this is done, the tyrants have no problem with the destruction of society as we know it.


    Send this on to all true patriots! Protect your Second Amendment!


    The following is a summary of the bill as provided by the Congressional Research Service. If you read the whole bill, you'll find it will effectively preclude the ownership of ANY firearms by law-abiding people unless licensed by the Attorney General. How long do you think THAT would take??


    Congressional Research Service Summary


    The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.


    1/6/2009--Introduced.


    Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.


    Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.


    Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act; (3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or (5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.


    Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.


    Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer.
    Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.
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  2. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    flincher100

    With respect, I don't think you understand the fight. You are probably right about this bill but the blanket defensive approach of the NRA and their lobbyist are the biggest reason it will be defeated.

    We are the only place in the world where the sky hasn't fallen already. Be grateful for that.
     
  3. daddiooo

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    Flincher 100,


    You seem very unconcerned about something that could be a real possibility. Have you noticed that they keep introducing this type bill with alarming regularity? It's a very short leap from "mandatory registration to confiscation". (history tends to repeat itself, Germany, England, Australia and working on Canada now) I'm glad to see that you can "personally guarantee" this won't happen. Are you part of Obama's cabinet? If not, what lofty position do you hold that makes you privy to inside info that enables you to boast this type of outcome? I look forward to your response.



    Respectfully submitted,


    Dave
     
  4. H82MIS

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    never say never,,,,,,,
     
  5. halfmile

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    2 defenses and that's all. Write/call your congressman and join NRA.

    Do it and don't quibble.

    HM
     
  6. Jerbear

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    Brady wants payback.

    Jerbear
     
  7. Paladin

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    flincher wrote "I personally guarantee this bill won't pass".


    You can't personally guarantee anything, flincher. The naivety you show toward your liberal clowns is laughable. Ask the law abiding citizens of D.C. and certain areas of Illinois how they feel about your "personally guarantee" of anything. Ask the very people who have had their right to individual ownership,,,,denied! It had already happened.
     
  8. Turtle29728

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    Amen, Halfmile!
    These attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights will be unrelenting and increasingly intrusive in their intended effect. The principle was never so true as it is today that "The price of liberty is eternal vigilence!" As far as I am concerned, if NRA-ILA is concerned about a particular legislative proposal or administrative action, I am deeply concerned about it as well.That isn't paranoia, that is prudence. Anyone who cares about these matters who isn't an NRA member is simply ignoring the political realities of the world as they exist today. The "loonie left" has the floor at present and they will take advantage of it to the full extent possible. Anyone who isn't an NRA member had better join now. Anyone who is a member should consider upgrading to a higher level of membership. Yes, you will get a pile of junk mail from them and yes, they will try your patience with their incessant pleas for more money, but what they do isn't cheap, and IT IS important. To me it's worth it. I am a life member and I send them all I can, when I can.They are the biggest dog in this fight, at least from our side, and they have been d----d effective up to now in staving off the attacks of those who would take our 2nd Amendment liberties away.
     
  9. JBrooks

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    David should kick flincher off TS.com. He consistently belittles anyone who expresses concern about our Second Amendment rights. If he is that stupid he can't be contributing anything of value. It is the flinchers of our world, guys who actually own guns but are in denial about the possibility of losing them, that have allowed all the restrictions that we already live with, to get inacted and continue to vote for people dedicated to taking away our guns.
     
  10. Paladin

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    I agree, on all points. I've said it many times,,the worst cancer to individual ownership, is the people who own guns, yet vote for, prop up and support anti-individual ownership politicians that wish to relieve all gun owners of their firearms. Am I a single issue voter? No, but the the Second Amendment is number two on my list. Winston Churchill was right when he made the comment "If your not a conservative by the time you're 40, you have no brains", or to that affect.
     
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  13. daddiooo

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    Flincher,


    I took great care in addressing you with respectful verbage concerning your obviously "braggart" post relating to something that means a great deal to all of us. Thank you for the backhanded slap by calling me a "commie". Addressing that comment is a waste of the time it takes to type the response. However, I'd like to invite you to impress all of us here on TS.com with your "personal achievements" concerning our 2nd Amendment rights. Go ahead, you have the
    floor...........


    Dave

    PS


    Paldin and JBrooks thank you for your responses to what is obviously someone with a bad case of "little man syndrome". Small brain, small di*k.
     
  14. slide action

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    A left wing socialist like flincher calling ANYBODY a "commie" is laughable!! You see he HAS to deny it could pass. To do other wise would be to admit that he and his leftist pals suported the most ANTI GUN presidential candidate in all of HISTORY(which they did)! Remember Obama's new Attorney General publicly states that the 2nd ammendment does not guarentee private gun ownership(although the supreme court asserted that it DOES)! Trust me the antis are wating until the time is RIPE. Then they will atack in waves, and if they can't get it passed in congress, there is always Execitive order, or the back door to the justice Dept., that Obama now controls! Keep your guard up boys. Never trust these clowns for a SECOND!!!
     
  15. grnberetcj

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    flincher...tell us about your military history or lack thereof....try not to embellish it too much....

    If (and a big IF) you were in the military, you were a "Leg" and the closet you got to combat was playing battleship with your Rainbow Coalition buds...

    Curt
     
  16. grnberetcj

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    flincher...

    You still failed to answer the question....

    You were a "leg"?

    and played alot of battleship?

    As much as I admire most of the people that are VFW members, there are many that should not be allowed to belong...

    Curt
     
  17. daddiooo

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    Flincher,

    I find that it's best to avoid getting into an argument with people who are mentally unarmed. You qualify as a textbook case for this condition. You also "blow you own horn" alot without any backup of factual evidence of your so called "accomplishments".(only your braggart, self serving claims) Until you can provide any vague proof you have no credibility here on TS. I'm sure I'm not alone in that belief.
     
  18. BT-100dc

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    I believe the music is already playing as to what will be coming; join the NRA as a start; if I'm right you'll get many times your dollars' worth; if I'm wrong you're out about $30.00 or so. The setting politically is ripe (and therefore stinks) for legislation being pushed through which will affect you. We'll be sitting here a year from now wondering how did it get this bad and what will then be coming? When you think about it, what is to stop this bunch (B. Hussein Obama, Eric Holder, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, George Soros, Sarah Brady, John Conyers and the other SYCOPHANTS.)? Remember, moving toward socialism, you'll be losing your gun rights. When you look at socialistic countries, gun control legislation always occurs. That's my opinion and I hope I'm wrong. Darrell
     
  19. Turtle29728

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    Hey guys, let's don't forget that the liberties we enjoy in this country, and which many of us served to protect, include the liberty to hold opinions which we may not agree with. I never convinced anyone of the wrongness of their opinion or pursuaded them to adopt my point of view by calling them stupid or attacking them personally. I suspect that many of the opinions expressed on this forum are posted just for the purpose of starting a p---ing match. To paraphrase the words of a contemporary of our founding fathers: I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend with all my might your right to express it. This is an accurate expression of the rights contained in the First Amendment to our Constitution.
     
  20. grnberetcj

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    flincher is a fraud....

    he just proved it...runs his mouth and can't (and/or want) back it up.

    Typical of his ilk.

    Curt
     
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