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2500 tanks for Homeland Security?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Bernie K, Mar 5, 2013.

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  1. Bernie K

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    Heard last night that Obummer ordered 2500 tanks for Homeland Security. What's with that? Must be expecting the southern border to get hot. Right!
     
  2. noknock1

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    I didn't see a link but I heard that it was closer to 5,500 tanks and the kicker is that they are being located near the biggest cities... Glad I live in a little po-donk town...
     
  3. likes-to-shoot

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    All this information and no verifiable link, go figure!!

    Would this be classified a rumor?
     
  4. g7777777

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    IQ below 27 if you believe that the govt is ordering 2500 tanks for homeland security and you want to advertise that IQ?

    geeez

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  5. oldman_1949

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    Neighbors girl friend said the local bartender heard from a guy that works for the "goverment" that they were just getting ready .

    Read the contract for your self and then decide how many "tanks" were ordered .

    http://www.defense.gov/contracts/con...ontractid=4701
     
  6. shannon391

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    It's actually 2,700 armored units. Works out to about 50 per state.

    I just looked at the story and pics on another site, don't know how to add link.
     
  7. likes-to-shoot

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    oldman...link does not work
     
  8. shannon391

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    ‘Obama DHS’ Buys 2,717 Light-Armored Tanks…




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    To Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

    (The Gateway Pundit/ Modern Survival) – This is getting a little creepy.

    According Modern Survival The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

    Although I’ve seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.

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    DHS even released a video on their newly purchased MRAPs.



    The MRAP featured in this video is was in Albuquerque, New Mexico for Law Enforcement Day which was held at a local area Target Store. This MRAP is stationed in El Paso, Texas at The Homeland Security Investigations Office. MRAP is a Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicle.

    The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).



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    From Navistar Defense:

    The International® MaxxPro® is Navistar Defense’s Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicle and incorporates the latest design in armoring technology. Extensively tested by the military and used in theater today, the MaxxPro features a V-shaped hull and other design features that greatly improve survivability. With so much protection, it’s the vehicle that every crew wants when they’re out in the field.

    MaxxPro® MRAP specifications:

    Length: 254? (21.2 feet)
    Width: 102? (8.5 feet)
    Height: 120? (10 feet)
    Wheel base: 153? (12.8 feet)
    Curb weight: 37,850 lbs. (18.9 tons)
    Engine: MaxxForce® 9.3

    The MaxxPro MRAP is built to withstand ballistic arms fire, mine blasts, IEDs, and other emerging threats. Its V-shaped hull helps deflect blasts out and away from the crew and its armoring can be customized to meet any mission requirement.

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    The installation contract retrofits 2,717 vintage MaxxPro vehicles (work performed in West Point, Mississippi) with a new rolling chassis. This chassis enhancement included the addition of the DXM™ independent suspension, a MaxxForce® 9.3 engine, and a 570 amp alternator and driveline. The work was completed at the end of May 2012.

    Observations and Questions:

    Why would DHS need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs and mine blasts?

    There are rails along the perimeter windows/gun ports to help displace the impact of RPG rounds… seems a bit much for a Police/Rescue vehicle…

    They all have gun ports… Rescue vehicle?

    Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets? What are they expecting or preparing for? It is a ridiculous over-the-top display of force that is meant to intimidate and associate the DHS name and logo with ‘FEAR’. Just like all that’s happening with the TSA (under the wing of DHS), this is about normalization of a new way of American life.

    By the way, you’re the one who paid for these. Or better said… your grand-kids will pay for these since we are living on a negative balance sheet with a 16 Trillion dollar deficit.

    I am curious to know if any of our MSB readers have seen any of these vehicles? Send photos and encounters if you have them…

    George Washington once said, “Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.”

    One reader has suggested that the DHS vehicles are not Navistar MaxxPro, but Golan (Israeli made) armored vehicles, while another reader who apparently has worked for Navistar confirms that this vehicle is indeed made by Navistar. There have been numerous reports on this story swirling within the blogosphere with varying claims of make and model. While this new information may or may not be accurate, I still question the need for these types of military armored vehicles riding on the ‘free’ streets of America, regardless of who makes them.

    These mods are for the “vehicle reset line”, meaning, for those that are or have apparently come home from overseas. Where are they exactly being deployed? It is difficult to say, because they have not exactly said. There are pictures out there with Homeland Security printed on the sides of these vehicles. There are reports that some of them are being purposed for Border Patrol. There are personal accounts of seeing the vehicles elsewhere. The DoD and DHS have an apparent working relationship, and these returning MRAP’s are apparently being re-purposed here on American streets. On the one hand it sounds frugal, on the other it sounds unnecessary (with exception to border patrol IMHO). One could argue that we might simply mothball them until such time they’re needed again (although understandably, decay would set in – it’s cost versus reward).

    The DHS and DoD report up the Executive branch to the Commander in Chief. The DoD / military is primarily limited to overseas actions due to the Posse Comitatus Act, while the new DHS (thanks to the Patriot Act after 9/11) is intended for operations on U.S. soil. The DHS is seemingly becoming the ‘legalized’ military here at home… and one could argue that it may be circumventing the Posse Comitatus Act to some degree.

    http://modernsurvivalblog.com/government-gone-wild/latest-homeland-security-vehicle-street-sweeper/
     
  9. noknock1

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    The other stories on GATEWAYPUNDIT and MINTUEMAN WHATEVER are a pretty amusing read as well!
     
  10. TinMan88

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    Saloot!
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  11. Kim Little

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    Stop this fear mongering against our Commander in Chief. Ben Bernanke was appointed by Bush and we are in the midst of a global currency war. Stop thinking that President Obama does not have "we the people's" best interest at heart considering the current economic environment. He has a responsibility to protect us not only from ourselves, but from foreign threats. Kim
     
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    Kim if Obama is my protector or savior you can have him, I will take care of myself as I have throughout my life. This man is the ruination of our great country. Look what he has done in the past four years, divided this nation racially and created the worst class warfare I have ever seen.
     
  13. Kim Little

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    I never said that The President was our savior. What I said was stop the fear mongering. This global currency war is SERIOUS!!! Kim
     
  14. likes-to-shoot

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    Your damn right this is serious, everything Obama is doing is creating a serious problem for the citizens of the USA!!!!!

    People who save money to tour the White House (a one and only trip) are being turned away because of dirty politics. But he can find millions (air force one and its accompanying costs) to golf, give to foreign countries and to Democratic supporters!!!

    Still blaming Bush after 5 years, LOL mighty powerful kool-aid your drinking there girl!!!
     
  15. Kim Little

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    Bernanke is making an aggressive move to stimulate our economy and even out the trade deficit with China. Do you really think that China is happy about the U.S. effecting their economy? Stop assuming the worse about the current administration and start assuming the worse about what other countries do to in response to our continued devaluation of the dollar. This is a last ditch effort to create jobs and strengthen our economy for the long run by increasing exports. On the other side of the coin google Argentina's economic collapse. We never heard about it because it happened around 911. Complete Anarchy. Do you really want a government that is unprepared if the above stated doesn't work? Kim
     
  16. shannon391

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    So... now you like Obama?? make up your mind.
     
  17. Kim Little

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    @Shannon...Emergency preparedness was started under the Bush administration in response to 911. It was a wake-up call to our country, we were attacked on our own soil. I am stating the facts, how does that equate to political preference. We are actively engaged in an economic war which could be a threat to our National Security. Talk show hosts, radio personalities, anchor men etc. don't have security clearances so how does buying tanks and ammo equate to war on American citizens in light of our current economic position. That is an irresponsible journalism at best. That is the point I am making. Kim
     
  18. darr

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    So they are buying tanks to fight the chinese in my back yard.Oh now it all seems so simple.


    Darr
     
  19. Kim Little

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    Darr,
    Former President Reagan believed in Star Wars...why is this any different. Our country is down...what if someone else wants to kick us. That is rational thinking. Being prepared for Anarchy in the event of economic collapse is rational thinking. Being prepared is called being responsible. Kim
     
  20. blizzard

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    So Kimberly, if the government needs all of these vehicles to protect the people on our own soil, why are they also trying to disarm the same people that may need protection?????????????????????
     
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