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25 Remington Rifle What is it?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Jim R, Feb 17, 2010.

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  1. Jim R

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    OK what do I have here? I took it in as a partial trade today and all I really know is that it’s a Remington Pump Rifle in 25 Rem cal.


    On the side of the Receiver it looks like a cartridge base that is stamped “25 Rem”.


    On the top of the barrel just in front of the receiver it says” Remington Arms-Union Metallic Cartridge Co. Just below that on the side of the Barrel is stamped” Remington Works Ilion, New York USA Pederson Pat Oct 12-09 July 5-10 Nov 12-12”


    On the end of the magazine tube is stamped “25” and under that “Patd. Nov 6, 1912.


    On the bottom of the receiver next to the magazine tube is a “C” and under that “38462”


    On the Trigger guard back in the pistol grip area is a circle in side it is stamped “Remington UMC Trademark”


    I have looked in a couple of books and because of the 18” barrel I’m guessing that it’s a Remington Model 14 ½ Carbine. I ruled out the Model 25R carbine because it has a pistol grip stock and the two books I have both list the 25R with a straight grip stock only.


    So someone tell me just what is it?


    Thanks

    Jim R

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  2. omgb

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    Well, you are the new owner of a Remington pump carbine. Ammo is strictly a hand loading proposition. The good news is that you can make cases from 35 Rem. The bad news is that it's not exactly a hot-rod deer killer. You have to get in close. Low recoil though. Unless you get a real hungry Rem collector it's worth about $200 tops.
     
  3. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Looks like a model 14 which they chambered in 25, 30, 32, and 35 Remington. P.S. you can't make a 25 Remington from 35 Remington, different web sizes. This caliber you are out of luck on, only one compatible would be a 30 Remington and good luck finding them.
     
  4. sx1skeet

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    What you have is a model 14 carbine and if you want to sell I will offer more then the 200.00.
     
  5. setter

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    Ammo above. Article on .25 Remington - http://www.chuckhawks.com/25_remington.htm.
     
  6. Remstar311

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    If it is a 14 1/2 R carbine-

    8 shot mag, 18 in bbl.

    percent - value

    98 - 3500

    95 - 3000

    90 - 2500

    80 - 2000

    70 - 1500

    60 - 1200
    Add 30 percent for "fingernail" safety(introduced in 1918)

    30th edit Blue Book.

    I'll give you 200 for it too.
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    That ain't a Model 25 Remington. It's a Model 14½. The later Model 141 looks similar, but was not offered in 25 Remington. Model 14s were made from 1914 to 1934.

    The Model 25 is chambered for 25-20 and 32-20. These are short cartridges with blunt noses, and the mag tube is not "twisted" to offset the nose against the primer. The ejection port is also shorter, fatter and tear drop shaped.

    The 25, 30 and 32 Remington share the same case size. The 35 Remington has a larger diameter case.

    The 25 Remington is basically a "rimless" version of the Winchester 25-35.

    Ammo is no longer loaded. I don't know if brass is available either. It is possible to make cases from necked down 30 Rem or 32 Rem, if you can find them. It's a lot of work, but 30-30 cases can be necked down, the rim turned down in diameter, and an extractor groove cut.

    From a power standpoint it's not adequate for deer other than small ones at close range. If the gun has a good bore it's possible to load it with lighter 25-20 bullets, weighing 60, 75 or 86 grains. The jacketed 75 grainers make good flat shooting varmint rounds and will take out a coyote. The trajectory with the 75 grainer is actually similar to the 40 grain 218 Bee. (I know because I'm fixing up a Win Model 94 in 25-35 and reload that bullet in it.)

    My grandfather hunted with a Model 14 in 35 Remington for many decades, before switching to a Marlin 336A in the same cartridge.
     
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    I just knew somebody was going to say you can't make them from 35 Rem. Well, I sure don't know why I said you could. The 25 Rem and the 30 Rem have a case head dia of .422, the 35 Rem is more like .460. I once had a Mdl 8 Rem rifle in 25 Rem and I clearly recall making cases for it using 30 Rem cases. Each neck had to be inside reamed and the cases had to be trimmed and resized after reaming but they chambered and fired with no trouble. It was more than 30 years ago but I'm certain this was the case. What confused me is that I had a butt-load of 35 Rem that I used in a Contender pistol and I thought i recalled thosecases were the source.
     
  9. Jim R

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    Got a couple of emails and they are saying that it is a 14 1/2 R carbine. I'm open to offers because I don't load rifle cartridges and I'm too old to learn. Just Private Message me and I will start looking for a box to ship this thing out in.

    Jim R
     
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    If any of you guys do business with Jim, he's AA+ to deal with. I hope to buy from him again if possible. Thanks David
     
  11. TOOLMAKER 251

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    The rear web section of a 35 Remington case is .458 dia. The rear web section of a 25 Remington case is .417 dia. You can make them from a 30 Rem. but you can also buy 25 Rem. brass from Buffalo Arms for $.94 each.
     
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    Interesting rifle- and this indeed is a collectors item- unlike most older stuff

    btw there were many deer shot with this caliber- not sure how many were killed outright but many deer were killed with it also

    Its more about shot placement and what shots to take

    no doubt it is underpowere but still used heavily in its time

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    Midway has .30 Remington brass a LOT cheaper than the 25 Rem stuff. That's the way I would go.

    Check it out on the above web site....
     
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    Jim, You've got mail.
     
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    Thanks Guys for all the information
     
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    The first time I deer hunted there were a couple of those guns used. What is the purpose of the twisted magazine tube?
     
  17. Jim R

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    The twist is so that the tip of the folling round is not in contact with primer.
     
  18. TOOLMAKER 251

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    The idea of the twist in the magazine was to tilt the cartridge so the points were not against another primer.
     
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    I have a 14 in 35Remington...one of the slickest, quickest guns ever...mine is a shooter too,...my nephew with awesome iron sight eyes is able to put groups at 75yds you can cover with a quarter with 2-3 shots of 5 touching...with the new pointy Hornady ammo..I expect it to do better
     
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    what is the35 rem like this worth? just wondering I have one. Bryon
     
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