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20ga for Singles?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Husky44, Apr 12, 2011.

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  1. Husky44

    Husky44 Active Member

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    Anyone use a 20ga for singles? I shot a round of singles today with my new addition to the safe and shot clean with smoked targets. Thinking about using it for singles at this weekends ATA shoot. I bought the gun for 5-stand, sporting and occasional skeet but after 200 rounds with no recoil got me thinking.

    Domenic

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  2. Brian in Oregon

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    I had a pinched nerve near my collar bone that caused reduced strength in my left arm. For a while it was fatiguing to shoot a round of trap with my 1187 12ga trap gun. I had already made a 7/8ths scale 1187 20ga trap gun, but its intended purpose was mainly sporting clays. But the buttstock was a 12ga monte carlo, with the tenon reduced to fit the smaller frame. It weighed about two pounds less, and that was enough that I could easily het it with my weakened left arm.

    I noticed some things straight off for trap. First, this lighter gun was very "lively". It was much faster to get into motion, and it could be jinked easily. That's a good trait for sporting clays, but not really for trap. Trap is more "slow and smooth". Regardless, it worked very well for singles and doubles. It broke clays well. I was using 7/8 oz 2.5 dram loads, and my scores were exactly the same as with my 12ga gun using 1-1/8 oz loads 2.75 dram loads. Recoil was significantly less. (A 12ga 1100/1187 will not cycle loads as light as the 20ga can without opening up the gas ports.)

    Once my arm regained some of its strength (but not all due to permanent nerve damage) I went back to my 12ga gun. But dang, that 20ga is just so much fun. It would be an ideal gun for a petite person or kids. I still practice trap with it, but it excels at sporting clays.

    At one time I wanted to set up a full size 1100 20ga (built on the 12ga frame). Never got around to it.

    And, there are a couple of women at the trap club using 20ga guns, and they'd give a good many here a run for their money.
     
  3. vpr80

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    Wonder how a 1oz 20ga compares to a 1oz 12ga. I normally shoot 1oz #8 12ga for singles for the lighter recoil, but would be interesting to try 20ga.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, it has a longer shot string, but I'm not convinced it's really all that much of a difference on target. I doubt a clay can outrun a shot string.

    Interestingly, the "ideal" gauge for patterning with 1 oz loads, according to the old experts, is 16ga.
     
  5. Hitapair

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    One of the perennial All Americans shot 20 ga for 16 yd targets each year at Vandalia. Lot of the youth shooters use(d) them also. The ATA started stocking the shell house at Vandalia w/ them because of the demand.
     
  6. Husky44

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    I’m going seriously consider using it this weekend for singles, just for a change of pace.
    I’ll still bring along the 12 for doubles and caps..Whos's hammer1? Domenic
     
  7. Hap MecTweaks

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    Hitapair, he still uses it for singles!

    Hap
     
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    Kemp- Yes, that's who I was referring to.
     
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    Use my 20 ga 1100 for singles and doubles it's fun and a challenge.Consiiten in sigles at 23 to 25 straight Doubles 20 t0 22
     
  11. Joe Potosky

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    I know John Sonne out of Quebec was shooting the 20 gauge last year.

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  12. mako72401

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    My 12 year old daughter shoots a 20 gauge for singles. She is new to Trap, and shtoguns, having only really plinked with a 22 before this. She shot a couple of boxes last fall, and has shot about 3 flats now since February. She is pretty consistently breaking 18-22 per round now. Wind is her downfall, learning how to add it into the "how far to lead" equation. But I have to say I am VERY proud of her.
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  13. sernv99

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    a friend of mine suggested to me to buy a 20 gauge with a .630 bore size, if I ever wanted to drop 12 gauge as my "big bore" and buy a 20 gauge to use. He has had great patterning results from the Browning XS 20 gauge guns and also Perazzi MX20 with the .630 bore size. He did the hard work of patterning different loads with various 20 gauge guns (e.g. K20, etc.) and he has found the .630 works the best...I shall find out myself in a few months when I order a MX20 with a .630 bore size....
     
  14. dverna

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    Why not shoot 7/8 oz loads from the 12 ga? What advantage does the 20 ga have for trap?

    I use have a 20 and 28 ga for hunting as they are lighter and easier to carry. Light weight is not something very many trapshooters will desire.

    Just curious.

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    <i>"Why not shoot 7/8 oz loads from the 12 ga? What advantage does the 20 ga have for trap?"</i>

    Several reasons.

    First, for semi-autos, the light 2.5 dram 7/8 oz loads will not cycle in a 12ga gun unless the gas ports are modified. An unmodified 12ga needs more drams to cycle, between a quarter to a half dram more.

    Second, the lighter loads mean less recoil.

    Third, the scaled down 20 ga guns are lighter. Some people do not want a heavier gun.

    Fourth, the dimensions are also smaller. The girth of the grip is often smaller, and the forend almost always is.

    I already pointed most of this out.
     
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    Yeah, plus it's ridiculously fun & stuff.

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  17. Leo

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    I took a friend to try trap and I loaned him my 20 ga skeet gun that I had screwed a a mod choke in. He had a lot of missed targets and kind of infered that the gun was holding him back. I gave him my trap gun and I shot the 20ga. He still shot 15, and I shot a 24, and I knew I missed as soon as I pulled the trigger, it was not the guns fault. The 25 yard line was pretty tricky, but the 16 wasn't.
     
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    I’m going to give the 20ga. a chance at this weekends ATA shoot. I’ve moved down from AA with the 12, so maybe the challenge of shooting the smaller gun will force me to focus on the targets again? I’ll have fun anyway and enjoy the challenge.

    Domenic
     
  19. dverna

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    Brian,

    None of those "reasons" mean much for 90% of us. I am the small guy in the group I shoot with - at 5'11" and 225 lbs. "Girly" sized guns are not going to fit us. Any 20 ga we shoot competitively will be full sized. We all shoot break opens so cycling is not needed. Thu,s using a 20 ga seems to make no sense as we can get 20 ga performance from a 12.

    I should have been more specific. When an All-American or a guy like John Sonne with a 97+% average uses one it makes me curious. Are they slight of build and need smaller guns? Are they shooting light 7/8 oz loads that can only cycle in a 390/391 but want to shoot 1100's?

    I shoot an XS Feather 28 ga for S&G once in a while but it sure ain't no trap gun!

    Don Verna
     
  20. sernv99

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    subgauge guns are fun...I use a 28 gauge for sporting clays to make the 12 gauge course more challenging. After shooting 28 gauge, using the 12 gauge seems to just be easier at breaking targets...

    if you are not a serious competitor, then using 20 gauge is fine.....
     
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