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209 primers

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by gordy h, Oct 14, 2007.

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  1. gordy h

    gordy h Member

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    What's the opinion on the Cheddite, primer? They are a lot cheaper than the Win. I've been useing. Are they flat like Win. or rounded like the Fed.? Any problems? thanks Butch H
     
  2. HSLDS

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    Think of it this way - all reloading components are manufactured to SAAMI standards. so all SHOULD work the same - obviously there will be variations - only you and your shotgun will be able to know what works for you.

    I have seen identical guns loaded with identical loads - one loves it - one hates it. Go figure.

    I would suggest you buy a box of them and try 'em.
     
  3. BDodd

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    In years past, I must have shot 100K Cheddites without any ill effects. In fact I used them and Winchesters back and forth without primer pocket size problems even though many insist the Cheddites are oversized and will stretch the pockets. My measuring device said the "size problem" is bovine fecal matter. The one thing that was annoying with them is/was that they are more or less squared off at the business end and often would "snap" in place in first-time-reloaded shells rather than slide in and that noise would startle me. I used them for many years until at one time they were priced close enough to Winchesters that I stocked up on Winnies. Those are about gone and I may well return to Cheddites if the price difference warrants it. Over the Chronograph, I found the Cheddites boosted velocity a nominal amount - so little as to consider them a nearly exact replacement for the Winnies.....breakemall....Bob Dodd
     
  4. skeet100

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    quote:
    Think of it this way - all reloading components are manufactured to SAAMI standards. so all SHOULD work the same - obviously there will be variations - only you and your shotgun will be able to know what works for you.



    So you think any powder can be swapped for another?
    You think there in no difference in wads?
    You think all hulls are the same?

    Possibly you know what you are doing but there may be a reader who has no experience and does not understand your comments. It could cause damage or death.


    Recommendation, get a good manual. Read all the manufactures sites for info and contact them if in doubt.
     
  5. skeet100

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    quote:
    Think of it this way - all reloading components are manufactured to SAAMI standards. so all SHOULD work the same - obviously there will be variations - only you and your shotgun will be able to know what works for you.



    So you think any powder can be swapped for another?
    You think there in no difference in wads?
    You think all hulls are the same?

    Possibly you know what you are doing but there may be a reader who has no experience and does not understand your comments. It could cause damage or death.


    Recommendation, get a good manual. Read all the manufactures sites for info and contact them if in doubt.
     
  6. Shady Creek

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    Bob, I think skeet100 is afraid of you, he flinched. We have loaded Cheddites in Win, Rem, and Fed cases and have had a few high primers so I think there is a difference in the size. (loaded on a 9000G)

    On a single stage MEC, or a PW, or a Spolar, not a problem. GOOD LUCK
     
  7. leadvail

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    Thanks Bob , I was going to try Cheddites when I run out of W209s like you if the price difference stays the same .
     
  8. HSLDS

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    skeet100,

    Are you really that big of a moron??

    The question was about size and fit - NOT specific performance or loading data.

    Anyone who reloads and does not take the specifics of ballistics, loading data, powder, wads, etc. into consideration deserves what they get.

    Don't look for a fight where there isn't one.
     
  9. Pull & Mark

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    Butch, I don't know what kind of shotgun you are planning to fire these primers thru, but I have HEARD that they can damage the firing pins on certain types of shotguns. The firing pin may or may not punture the metal cover on the primer. This causes a blow back into the firing pin and can burn the tip of firing pin. Some people on the site have had not problem with them and have loaded many thousands of them. I personnally know of several shooters that had to replace there firing pins and get rid of the remainder of their cheddite primers. You might try a 100 or so before you stock up and see how they work in your shotgun. Good Luck and Break-em all. Jeff
     
  10. major146

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    I have been using Fiocchi primers and have found that they are hard to use. They seam to be a hair bigger than the Winchester and I have had trouble getting them to seat all the way into the shell. Has anyone else had the same problem?
    Major146
     
  11. Dr.Longshot

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    I use the Rio primer exclusively now and I am very satisfied with the results.
    They are larger in diameter than others but I don't switch back and forth, they seem to perform on the same order as Winchester Primers.


    Dr.longshot
     
  12. skeet100

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    I have not been on here that much so I don't know who knows what. I try and mind my manners and on this post I was trying to help.


    "Are you really that big of a moron??"


    Does anyone know where can I find the author of the above smart ass comment?
     
  13. Sam (ATA Noobie)

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    After paying $30+ for Win. primers, I found a reliable source for Rio's at $18/1,000

    If they work well, I think I'll stick with them.
     
  14. phirel

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    I would like to save some money by using cheaper primers but, apparently unlike some others who posted above, I have not taken the time to see if the cheaper primers will work well.

    I reload AA hulls. They are the only hull designed for a tapered primer. Are the discount primers tapered or straight walled? Upon ignition, how much gas exits through the primer hole against the breech? What is the variation, if any, in chamber pressure due to using Rio Primers as opposed to AA primers? How much force is required from the firing pin to compress the primer compound against the primer anvil in discount primers. What is the time difference to reach peak chamber pressure using Green Dot and Winchester vs. Cheddite primers?

    I am not good enough to just load a few Rio primers, shoot them and listen to the sound of the shell and determine if the Rio primers work well.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    Dear skeet100,

    This is the second or third time you have made the same type of comment about one of my posts – I suspect you think you know who I am. If this is true, you are wrong and I apologize to you.

    SAAMI standards are both dimensional and performance standards, inherent in this is that changing any aspect will take your load outside of the standard and it thus must be re-verified before being used. The question posed was about the dimensional aspects of the primer, and my answer still stands – again, inherent in this is any change in components will need to be re-verified as to being SAAMI compliant.

    Anyone who reloads knows this to be true – change a primer type and of course the powder charge needs to be re-visited.

    To suggest that injury or death may occur, albeit true (please note this is technically true for any load – even one within the standards) does no service to anyone – this is a ‘the sky is falling’ comment. I suspect your logic is a bit backwards here – yes, all ants are insects, but all insects are not ants...
     
  16. gordy h

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    HI GUYS
    I'm sorry I asked about primers, I think theres enough bad mouthing in the world, with out haveing it here also. We have a good thing going here,lets keep it going. I'm a shooter ( For 40years) not a fighter, and love our sport.
    For the rest of you, THANKS for the info, I'll stick with the Win. Butch H
     
  17. 8 1/2 shot

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    Hey Butch, no reason that you shouldn't ask a question such as this thread. I used to use WW 209's and now use Cheddites, about 100,000 of them so far. I don't hyper engineer or overthink my reloads, I just put em together, chrono them and shoot em and never had a problem with any load that was put together within reason. If you reload in volume and appreciate the cost savings you should like Cheddites, Cost is the only difference I have noted. Jeff
     
  18. HSLDS

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    Butch H,

    I certainly owe you an apology - which I offer now.

    Did not mean to sour your thread. Just seams like every time one tries to give some information or advice someone else tends to stomp on it - not an excuse, and again my apologies to all if I insulted - was not meant to be so.
     
  19. skeet100

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    1. I do not personally know anyone on this board.

    2. I might come off as rude but I was only trying to help.

    3. If I have ever replied to anyones remarks more than once it is coincidence only. I do not follow threads here enough to know or remember anyones names.

    4. I am a long time member of other boards/forums and just come here to look for general common items, I am a skeet shooter, and see what Trap shooters are up to.

    5. I have never competed in a Trap tournament. I had considering trying it.

    6. I was warned this board was loosely run and lots of strong comments and bad mouthing was allowed.

    7. It would be better for me to delete the forum address and not return, of all the forums I am a member of and read on over 5-6 years this one is the rudest. I was too mad last night, for a stupid forum comment, it ain't worth it.


    yall give'm hell
    You all are a real shinning light in the shooting community!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  20. Quack Shot

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    skeet100

    AHAH! SO you ADMIT to being a SPY? :) Just kidding. In reality, there are a lot of jerks on every forum. Lighten up and don't let it bother you too much. I read the same initial statement as you and also had a problem with how it was worded. It appears that there has been some clarification and maybe a bit of misunderstanding. I don't have a problem with too many people here, just the usual jerks that come out of the woodwork and hide behind their "anonimity" here. Quite a few people make recommendations that could be questionable and/or hazardous and I sometimes take a lot of heat for being contrary.

    Now, back to the original theme.....

    I have had no problems with the Cheddite Primers. I HAVE seen a few that did show perforations in other shooters firearms, with their reloads. It appears that they may cause damage to some firing pins. I shoot an 1100 and used to shoot a 3200 extensively and never had any trouble with them that was attributable to the primers. The newer Cheddites are about the exact same size as the other standard 209 primers. There was one other Cheddite type that I had a few years ago that were oversized. They are similar to the Winchester primers in intensity, but that does not mean they are a direct replacement and will they will NOT give identical pressures or performance.
     
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