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2009 Grand Handicap Winners

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by jevoliva, Mar 3, 2010.

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  1. jevoliva

    jevoliva Member

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    For your information/entertainment/enjoyment... -- here are the winners of all the handicap events at the 2009 Grand..

    Event #2 - Fred Nagel, SD - 99<br>
    Event #5 - Ethan McCauley, OK - 100<br>
    Event #8 - Jacob Dunn, TN - 100<br>
    Event #11 - Phil Kiner, WY - 100<br>
    Event #13 - Logan Robertson, OK - 100<br>
    Event #16 - Frank Bentley III, IL - 99<br>
    Event #20 - Patrick McCarthy, OH - 100<br>
    Event #21 - David Shaeffer, MD - 100<br>
    Event #23 - Robert Munson, MN - 100<br>

    Do with it what you will....I certainly don't see ALL big dogs in that list...
     
  2. ffwildcat

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    Amuse me - expand the list to include ties. The winner was the one that prevailed in the shootoff (if there was one) and sometimes lady luck will shine on you. I expect the winner of the 2010 100 Grand to come from the Top 20 ATA handicap averages - consistency counts.
     
  3. Beau69

    Beau69 Active Member

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    Here are the event winners with ties for high score of the 2009 Grand. The yardage listed is the yardage where the shooter ended up after being punched.

    Looks like 15 out of 21 leading scores were shot by 27 yard shooters. Interesting.

    EVENT # 2
    KELLY DAVID CA 99 27.0
    NAGEL FRED SD 99 27.0

    EVENT # 5
    BRINGELSON DENIS L CO 100 27.0
    MCCAULEY ETHAN C OK 100 27.0
    RODE JR PAUL W IN 100 24.5

    EVENT # 8
    DUNN JACOB G TN 100 22.0

    EVENT # 11
    KINER PHIL E WY 100 27.0

    EVENT # 13
    ALCORIZA RON CA 100 27.0
    ROBERTSON LOGAN J OK 100 26.5

    EVENT # 16
    BENTLEY III FRANK IL 99 27.0
    GIOFFRE JOHN OH 99 25.0
    GRANATIR RICHARD J OH 99 27.0
    HARRISON III LEO MO 99 27.0
    LUTTRELL ANDREW L KY 99 22.5
    OHYE NEILSON DEBOR NJ 99 27.0
    TAYLOR JONATHAN II IL 99 25.5

    EVENT # 20
    HARRISON III LEO MO 100 27.0
    MCCARTHY PATRICK M OH 100 27.0

    EVENT # 21
    ASH GLENN H IN 100 21.0
    HAWLEY SEAN UT 100 27.0
    SHAEFFER JR DAVID MD 100 27.0

    EVENT # 23
    MUNSON ROBERT MN 100 27.0
     
  4. Setterman

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    Looks like it was dominated by 27 yard shooters. Only 7 of the 22 in shootoffs were not 27 yarders. I'd call 10 of them Big Dogs
     
  5. rick979

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    I would call ALL of them "Big Dogs"!! Rick~~~Texas
     
  6. Setterman

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    I would too, but I don't recognize some names.
     
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    phirel TS Member

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    All were certainly "Big Dogs" on at least one day. If I am able to win all nine handicap events at the Grand, would I have to shoot off against myself? How would such a shoot off be scored?

    Pat Ireland
     
  8. tcr1146

    tcr1146 Well-Known Member

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    Pat: Did you miss the fact that if there is a repeat winner, they take the runnerup for that event! Also, there will be 9 and 9 only in the shootoff?! Tom Rhoads
     
  9. tom berry

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    I wonder if the rules of this shootoff address what yardline shall be used.

    Let's say for example a 20ydr wins the first event and shoots all the others from the 22 or maybe even earns more ydg and shoots a couple hundred from the 23.

    Then at this big shoot off, do they step back up the 20 since that's where they earned their spot from? Will the several hundred targets shot from further back give them any type of advantage if they get to step forward? Does the fact their shooting for $100,000 pretty much eliminate all other mental advantages?

    Questions to ponder until August.
     
  10. scott calhoun

    scott calhoun Well-Known Member

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    If it works like any other shoot, the yardage in the shoot-off will be yardage you shot the event from.

    If you are at a one day shoot and shoot 98 in the handicap and get a 1-yard punch, if you tie for a trophy and get in a shoot-off you don't shoot-off from your new yardage.

    Scott
     
  11. tom berry

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    Guys, I know the normal rules with regard to ATA shootoffs. I was just wondering if there were any stipulations presented by the donors of this particular award.

    Think about it for a minute. How many times do people get a one yard reduction only to earn it back almost immediately. Now, make that a two yard reduction because that's what it would be. Remember if they win the first event they can have up to 800 targets at their new yardage. Maybe the non BIG DOGS will have a chance after all.

    This website will lock up if some 20ydr from KY wins it.
     
  12. ivanhoe

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    It would be interesting to know. If a shooter win a Handicap event then in to later events he get more yardage. Does he still shoot the shoot off from the yardage he won the event in. The yardage that qualified him for the shoot off?

    I am curious because I can't ever remember seeing this type of shoot off before.

    Bob Lawless
     
  13. jevoliva

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    I agree with Tom on this one... what do you do with a 20 yarder that wins on day 1 and is shooting from a higher yardage for the rest of the shoot? Revert back to the original yardage some 10 days ago?

    Worse yet, this same shooter could win on Day 1 and then win 2-3 other trophies (read: not the whole event) and have earned 3 trophies before the final event. Clearly, this shooter's "known ability" should have been much greater than 20 yards. How do handle that....

    Agree... something to ponder until August....

    John
     
  14. trapshootin hippie

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    John, just be there and watch. I bet you will see it happen, then you will know how it will be handled first hand.


    Gne J
     
  15. jevoliva

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    I'm sure it will be addressed first hand... watch? Shoot, I plan on participating! (gotta set goals, right?)
     
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