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2 Yard Reduction Question

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by gridlock, Jan 26, 2012.

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  1. gridlock

    gridlock Member

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    I just returned from the Dixie where I was given my 2yd reduction without having my new paper card. I now plan on shooting at another reg.shoot but without having the new paper card will I shoot at my old yardage? Thanks.
     
  2. hoosier

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    Do not shoot at your old yardage. Shoot from your new yardage
     
  3. gridlock

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    Hoosier,The problem is,some clubs will not honor the new yardage without having reviewed your new paper card.At the Dixie they have the ability to pullup your yardage.
     
  4. hmb

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    Get a printout from the ATA web site. HMB
     
  5. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    Read up on what happens when you shoot at the old yardage after shooting from your new yardage...
     
  6. Fast Oil

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    From page 25 of 2012 Rule Book. (note) 2nd sentence was in bold type

    F. SPECIAL HANDICAP RULES
    1. A shooter must continue to shoot from the last yardage assigned
    or earned until he/she receives a new Average Card with his or her
    reduced yardage indicated on it. The ATA Shooter Information
    Center may be used as evidence of a reduction with verification
    by a member of the Central Handicap Committee, a voting
    member of the Executive Committee or the shooter’s State
    or Provincial Delegate. Electronic Printed Average Cards will be
    accepted when available from the ATA Web Site.
     
  7. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    A shooter may not stand on a higher yardage than he/she is punched, unless assigned penalty yardage by shoot handicap personnel

    Pg 22
     
  8. open choke

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    Why didn't the ATA just leave the HDCP yardage alone?
     
  9. Tripod

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    good question Open choke
     
  10. open choke

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    IMO they just increased sandbagging if that was a goal.

    Let's say you have a 24 yard shooter who's goal is to make it to the fence and declined the reduction and now a 27 yard shooter is at the 25 yard now.

    Who has the advantage?
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

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    There even...they will both shoot 95's...
     
  12. ivanhoe

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    "Let's say you have a 24 yard shooter who's goal is to make it to the fence and declined the reduction and now a 27 yard shooter is at the 25 yard now."

    That is not an example of sandbagging!!!! The person that shoots the higher score always has the advantage. It (sandbagging) has nothing to do with what yardage you shoot.

    Bob Lawless
     
  13. open choke

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    I say it is but it's conditional.

    If you have the shooter who read about the reduction who says to himself "oh yeah I can take down the next shoot cause the 2 yards will make it easier for me"

    I guess it depends on how you look at it. Some of use spent an hour talking about the pro's/con's of taking/declining the reduction and there was a lot of views on it depending on how you look at it.

    Here is a couple of examples:

    One said... "After all the time and ammo it took me to get to where I am; I'll decline"

    Another said... "My goal is to make it to the fence"
     
  14. hoosier

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    gridlock, If you shoot from your old yardage your targets will be DQ.
     
  15. BigM-Perazzi

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    Making the 27, and having a level field, are separate issues.

    Handicapping is meant to allow everyone an equal opportunity to win.

    You need to change the punch system to not penalize someone for occasionally shooting great scores....
     
  16. oskerspap12

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    Howdy Y'all,

    I know this is obvious,but aren't the 27 yarders that get reduced to the 25 be back on the 27 after a couple of shoots?? Whats the point? I just don't get it.
    What exactly is the EC trying to accomplish.This move won't change a damn thing........I'm not complaining,and don't want the reduction(thanks anyway),just wondering.

    D.P.Reynolds
     
  17. John Galt

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    DP, that isn't obvious at all. First, most people currently shooting from the 27 yard line don't belong there anyway so, if they take the reduction, it's unlikely that they will ever return. Those who really belong on the 27 yard line won't be getting a reduction since they will invariably have been puched within the previous 1,000 targets.

    It seems obvious that the EC is trying to increase competitiveness in handicap. This might or might not accomplish that but at least they aren't just sitting on their hands doing nothing. I think this is like putting a band aid on a broken arm- won't accomplish much.
     
  18. JAAS

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    D.P. Reynolods,

    You are right, won't change a thing/what is the point? The current group of under-handicapped 27 yarders will continue to stand at the 27 yard line and not move back when they shoot winning scores. The backfence needs to be extended so all shooters move back and forward based on wins and averages -that is the foundation of the ATA Handicap system. Let's hope that ATA leadership wakes up soon and makes meaningful change to the handicap system.

    JAAS (just an average/amateur shooter)
     
  19. Setterman

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    A 27 yarder that is below the trigger point usually isn't competitive anyway. Remember, he is shooting against the best yardage group. He needs to move up if his ego will let him. Only time will tell if he will be competitive at the 25.

    The mid yardage guys now have 24 yarders shooting at the 22 and 22 yarders shooting the 20. Huge advantage. You'll see a lot of winners coming out of these yardages at smaller shoots.

    The "target managers" will take the yardage to win money.
    They don't care what yardage they are on.

    At the big shoots (Dixie for example) everyone still has to compete against the Leos, Rickys and Harlans. The Big Dogs will still win. Go to RJSTUART and see the "winners". The 2 yard reduction solves nothing at big shoots.
     
  20. oleolliedawg

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    The peasants were offered some cake. In reality, the big dogs received Filet Mignon!!
     
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