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2 Hole or 3 Hole ???

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  1. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    I have been shooting trap for 4 years.
    I have shot using Pat traps and am versed in proper set up for ATA shoots for single and doubles.
    There is always a lot of talk on 2 and 3 hole.

    Is there a simple explention or a link I can be directed to that can clearly explain the differance between:
    Pat trap settings vs. 2 Hole or 3 Hole Trap settings??????
     
  2. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    This must be a hard question?
     
  4. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    The old Winchester hand set trap and the new GMV Superstar traps actually have a circular disc with physical holes in it to control the maximum angles the trap will throw. The Pat Trap does not have the disc or holes but instead micro switches are placed an exact distance apart to control the "spread" of angle targets.
     
  5. Hap MecTweaks

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    Two hole angles amount to 17 degrees off the center stake at 50 yards each way. Three hole is 22 +. The old rule book said targets may be outside that 22 degree line by several degrees and still be a legal target and must be shot. Big difference between those settings from long yardage when mother nature (hard wind) intervened. Hap
     
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    Another candidate for deletion........

    Ronbo
     
  7. Mr Newbius©

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    3 hole is the only way to go ... multi holes is far better than dual hole shooting.
     
  8. N. J. BOB

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    Pat trap angles are changed by separating the magnets at the front of the trap.There is a procedure for properly setting the field angles.
     
  9. grnberetcj

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    60 & 60 with wider angles!!

    Curt
     
  10. Texshooter

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    If I'm correct with a 3 hole setting the target max angle can go straight out from station 1 and 5, a 2 hole is straight from midway between 1 & 2 and between 4 & 5. In other words, with a 2 hole setting you never quite have a straight away from 1 or 5. AJ
     
  11. Hap MecTweaks

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    AJ, look at an old rule book and read what it said about 3 hole angles from 1 and 5. The target could be outside those straights you mentioned and still be a legal target which must be shot. Shooting a right angle off post 1 could be sorta tricky at times. Hap
     
  12. Wilma Harris

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    Hap, targets outside of todays MINIMUM spread of between 1&2 and 4&5 are legal also. The Rule Book allows a legal target to be up to 10 degrees outside the minimum spread or in otherwords, roughly 27 degrees to either side of a line through post three to the center stake. This equates to roughly 5 degrees wider than a straight away from posts 1 and 5.
     
  13. Hap MecTweaks

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    Southbend, how many of those have you personally seen in the last few years? Those settings may qualify as a legal angle if shot at and broken. What about turning down targets outside the normal 2 hole setting? Doesn't the rule book have something on that also?

    Why do you think that 10 degree wording was left in the current rules? There is a reason it's in there. It certainly wasn't left in so club operators could set tougher angles for the shooters either. If operators did that, shooters liking softer target angles would drift over to club easy. Same thing happened when 3 hole was the rule during the cheating years. Why shoot the tough when the easy is just around the corner for better averages? Hap
     
  14. Wilma Harris

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    Hap if the puller/referee called one lost that you didn't shoot at that was an exact straightaway from say post 1 on you, what would be your arguement?

    You tell me. "What about turning down targets outside the normal 2 hole setting?"

    What in your opinion does the rule book say about that?

    You tell me why the 10 degree wording was left in the current rules.
     
  15. Mr Newbius©

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    The wording in the rule book leaves it all up to interpretation and discretions of whoever is reading the book or refereeing the shoot ... dont look in the rule book for any set solid rules of for a definitive answer.
     
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