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2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth

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  1. Jerbear

    Jerbear TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    ELECTION 2008
    2 campaigns seek 'truth' about Obama's birth
    Eligibility for presidency hinges on American citizenship

    Posted: August 08, 2008
    12:00 am Eastern

    © 2008 WorldNetDaily

    Barack Obama

    Israel Insider is reporting that analysts working separately have determined the birth certificate posted on the Daily Kos website and later on Sen. Barack Obama's "Fight the Smears" campaign website is fraudulent, and now two different actions have been launched to try and obtain the truth about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee's birth.

    The Israel Insider report said the two analysts it interviewed both have been "able to independently discern the name 'Maya Kassandra Soetoro' from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document." Maya is Obama's younger half-sister.

    The report follows a posting from another researcher, identified by the news publication as Techdude, that the birth certificate is a forgery because it originally documented the birth of a woman in the 1970s.

    Blogger Mitchell Langbert now has launched an online petition to the Federal Election Commission in which signers are asking the agency to "take responsibility to verify the eligibility of Mr. Barack H. Obama to be president of the United States."

    (Story continues below)

    Wrote Langbert, "Mr. Obama has refused to produce a physical certified, stamped copy of his birth certificate. An electronically displayed imaged displayed by his official campaign website has alleged to have been a forgery. … We request that the FEC require Mr. Obama to authorize the FEC to obtain an official copy of his birth certificate."

    Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at brotherbear@solomonsstables.org, said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama's birth certificate.

    "I am looking for 50 brave men or women from 49 states and the District of Columbia to join me in suing the secretaries of state in our respective states to prevent them from posting the name Barak H. Obama on the November 2008 ballot until he presents incontrovertible proof that he is a … U.S. citizen," he said. "The secretaries of state are the ones who by placing a person or initiative on the ballot certify that the candidates or initiatives meet the legal requirements to be on the ballot.

    "The office of the president is simply too important to trust to someone other than a person whose loyalties are 100 percent American, and while it is impossible to read into the heart of a man or woman we do have the test our forefathers gave us. Which is this office is not to be entrusted to anyone but a natural U.S. citizen," he said.

    Multiple requests over a period of several days by WND to the Obama campaign for a comment or explanation of the birth certificate issue did not generate any response.

    The Israel Insider said, "The revelation that [the birth certificate] of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents what supporters of this analysis claim is a 'smoking gun' that appears to implicate Sen. Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama 'birth certificate' – which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features – to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.

    "The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother – not yet 19 at the time of his birth – would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on 'natural born citizenship' automatically," the report said.

    "There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book 'Dreams from My Father,' specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists," the report said.

    The forensic computer investigators interviewed by the news publication concluded there are two obvious possibilities for the birth certificate image: A real certificate was scanned and digitally edited or a real certificate was scanned for the graphic layout, then blanked by soaking the document in solvent to remove the toner.

    The certificate was published by the Daily Kos June 12 following initial reports questioning Obama's place of birth. He's stated he was born in Hawaii, but if that was not the case, his citizenship could be uncertain, since his father was not a citizen and his mother was not old enough to pass along American citizenship automatically.

    The issue originally was raised by Jim Geraghty, reporting on the Campaign Spot, a National Review blog. He cited the "unlikely" possibility that Obama's 1961 birth was not within the U.S.

    At the time, he wrote, "If Obama were born outside the United States, one could argue that he would not meet the legal definition of natural-born citizen … because U.S. law at the time of his birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for 10 years, at least [f]ive of which had to be after the age of 16.'"

    He then pointed out Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, was 18 when Obama was born, "so she wouldn't have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16."

    When the Daily Kos website posted an image that appeared to be Obama's birth certificate, Geraghty announced he was satisfied.

    The presumptive Republican nominee for president, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., already has gone through a similar challenge, and the U.S. Senate responded with a resolution in April declaring him to be a "'natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States."

    The article declares "no person except a natural born citizen … shall be eligible to the office of president."

    McCain was challenged because he was born to two U.S. citizens in the Panama Canal Zone.
  2. JBrooks

    JBrooks TS Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    There is in fact little doubt that Obama does not have a real Hawaii birth certificate and that the State of Hawaii can't produce one.

    All Obama would have had to done is walk in the Records Office while he was in Hawaii on vacation and pick one up. He could have done this with a full media entourage intow and dispelled this story. The problem is that the copy would have had to have been turned over to the media for independent testing which would have concluded it to be a fake.
  3. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Deplorable Bitter Clinger in Liberal La La Land
    I would think Obama would want to get this completely nailed down.
  4. wdr-NY

    wdr-NY TS Member

    Jul 29, 2008
    Give it up already.

    This story has been addressed--from both a practical and legal stand-point--and by ALL measures, Barack Obama is a naturally born U.S. citizen.

    The director of the Hawaii Department of Health has gone on record vouching that his birth certificate is indeed genuine.

    Can't we talk about the real issues? Like how do I vote for McCain/Palin when she clearly can't lead the country and he is a 72 year old cancer survivor?

    I'm back,



  5. ricks1

    ricks1 TS Member

    May 7, 2007
    thought there was an odor here rick
  6. hoggy

    hoggy TS Member

    May 9, 2006
    If it was true (too bad it's not) it would have come out and he would have been disqualified.
  7. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
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  8. JBrooks

    JBrooks TS Member

    Nov 6, 2006

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  9. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Shawnee, Kansas, USA
    I agree with Walker,

    Lets stick to the issues:

    He's the most liberal Senator in Congress.

    In Illinois, he regularly voted "present" instead of yea or nay

    In the Senate, he has no record. Not good, not bad, just none.

    He's been a Senator a very short time, and most of that time has been campaigning to be President.

    He's very anti-second amendment.

    On the other hand, he has really good writers.

    I just can't vote for the guy.
  10. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    A nicely lithographed cardboard cutout in an otherwise empty suit.

    All 141 days of his government experience, and never made a decision.

    Kind of contrasts the executive operations of a Governor, now don't it?

    The Obamabot flailings on this site are getting weaker and weaker.

    Sort of like watching a firefly die.

  11. GunDr

    GunDr Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Am I ignorant of the "Bill of Rights" or am I missing more of this story?

    Obama's mother was a US citizen wasn't she? Wasn't she born in the US?

    Where does it say that a natural born citizen has to be of a particular age to be...an "American Citizen".

    An American Woman giving birth to a child outside of the states, that child is still granted the right of US Citizenship...aren't they?

    Did she give up her citizenship at some point?

    Is there a stipulation in the law somewhere tht says if one parent isn't a citizen, that the child also is not?

    What am I missing here?

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