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1st shot doubles questions????

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  1. shoottilithurts

    shoottilithurts Member

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    if the target is taken at 23 yards, what shot size and choke would give optimal target breaks and pattern diameter? thanks n merry christmas...milt luther
     
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  2. BDodd

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    7/8 oz of #9s, Imp. Mod choke makes them disappear. Many open the choke for the first bird to Imp. Cyl. and just about any shot will do the trick that close so the more pellets the better....breakemall...Bob Dodd
     
  3. j2jake

    j2jake Well-Known Member

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    Second what BDodd said. Jake
     
  4. Gary Waalkes

    Gary Waalkes Well-Known Member

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    shoottilithurts - shoot a light load of #9s. The light load is just to keep recoil in check and minimize the effect on the second shot. Choke doesn't matter much at the 23 yard distance (you can prove that to yourself). You really should not take advice here, but should shoot some patterns of your own. In doubles, you know where the targets are going to be so I submit that you should be able to shoot a full choke on the first bird and still do just fine.
     
  5. Dennisw

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    1 ounce of 8's with a full choke
     
  6. 101voodoo

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    I use 7/8s of 8.5s.

    Only trouble is it makes me late to the second bird as I can't pull my eyes away from the great break on the first shot.

    Jim
     
  7. JBrooks

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    You should break the first target at 17.5 yards because you know where it is coming out. Use a single #9 pellet to minimize recoil so that you can get to the second target quicker. Use a turkey choke because we all know that you should choke for smoke.
     
  8. likes-to-shoot

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    I use 1oz 8's or 8 1/2's with a mod. extended choke on the first shot and 1 1/8 oz of 7 1/2's or 8's with a IM or LT full extended choke tube on the 2nd shot. If I'm on target both birds will turn to smoke. (not as often as I'd like LOL).

    Bill
     
  9. rumplestilskin

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    if you can find it 10 shot is great
     
  10. Neil Winston

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    My present doubles average is 94.75, about the best I've ever had, and I've been shooting IM and full, with any 1-oz or less on the first shot and any heavier (light or heavy) 1 1/18 load for the second.

    My gun shoot a little high for the first shot, a little low for the second. Over 25 years I've tried just about every combination of POI and choke imaginable and this super-conservative one has been the one I always drift back to when I tire of chipping and missing.

    Additionally, along the way I've quit worrying about tapered ribs, figure-eights, barrel length and weight and "balance," powders, wads, shot as long as for the second shot it's hard, chokes as long as they are tight. In short, everything but POI, stock-fit, and decent triggers. And my headaches have gone away too . . .

    Neil
     
  11. coyote268

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    I use 1 oz of 8's but rarely get to the second target as I happy to get the first one. Dan
     
  12. code5coupe

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    Shot size: anything from 7 1/2 to 9.
    Choke: anything from IC to XFull.

    Hope that helps.
     
  13. Bird Grinder

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    .010 first shot .030 on second. 1oz.#8s on first shot 1 1/8oz.#7 1/2 on second.
     
  14. zzt

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    Milt, I have no quibble with those that advocate tighter chokes. However, regarding your specific question, choke and shot size for a 23 yard target, the answer has been definitively proven. Billions and billions of Skeet shots prove 7/8oz of #9 is the optimum for breaking 21 yard targets. 23 yards is the same using Skeet2 chokes.

    When I was using my 20b for doubles I used IS and M or LM and M and they worked just fine. 9s for the first shot, 8s for the second. Recently I proved once again that it is quite easy to miss the first bird with an .018 choke and 1 1/8oz #9. It's no harder than missing with a Mod or IM choke. Why, because when you miss, you miss by a mile, not an inch. When I do it it is always because I set up wrong, or I wasn't really ready when I called for the bird, I flinched, etc. That causes gross pointing errors, an another inch or two or three in effective pattern diameter is not going to help that.
     
  15. Dove Commander

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    LM/Mod chokes, 1oz 8.5's or 1 1/8oz light 8's, followed by a 3dram 8 load, but I shoot fast.
     
  16. phirel

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    I shoot a 1 oz load of #8 for the first bird. Smaller shot would work well but I already use 7.5 for handicap and #8 for singles and I do not want to store a third size. It is absolutely necessary for me to use the same load for the second bird that I use for singles (1 1/8 oz #8). Frank Little told me to do that many years ago and I promised him that I would. I will not break a promise to Frank.

    Pat Ireland
     
  17. miketmx

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    I am curious as how you arrived at 23 yards, I shoot my Doubles pretty quick but I dunno the exact distance and the 1st bird from Post 3 seems to take a tad longer than the other Posts. I once broke a 98 with a borrowed trigger and the wrong barrel sequence; it was .042 for the first bird and .028 for the 2nd bird.
     
  18. Old Cowboy

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    Currently using .020"/.030", #8 both shots. 2nd shot=light (1 1/8oz) 8s, 1st shot=either light 8s or Xtra-lite (1oz) 8s.

    Seems to work OK-----

    John C. Saubak
     
  19. shoottilithurts

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    miketmx: we actually measured the distance,(ave 23yd) and height, (6ft) post 3 was actually a little shorter distance because the bird doesnt move directly away, i spot shoot, with no gun movement. thanks for so many good replies zzt: your responce was more to the point of my intended question, meant to get opinions on the largest effective pattern i could create at 23yd. ex: 1-1/8 oz of #9,(to reduce recoil without giving up pattern size or density @ 1100fps) from skeet choke milt
     
  20. phirel

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    6 feet high at 23 yards is lower than I like to shoot doubles

    Pat Ireland
     
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