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1911 colt fans - need info on 38 Super

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by cubancigar2000, Sep 6, 2011.

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  1. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    I need a real knowledgable ( any would be better than me as I know very little) Colt 1911 person to tell me what I have. Colt 38 Super in original brown box with yellow label serial # 193xxx. Gun appears to have not been fired, box is pristine so is gun. Thx in advance. A PM would be fine if you want to send it or just post your thoughts. It came with a very old box of ammo in pristine shape also. I can do photos and will if I sell it but for now, what do I have here. Here are some photos, not the best but will do for now
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    I forgot what a real blue jiob looked like. absolutely beautiful blueing
     
  2. Auctioneer

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    All I can say its big dollars. That would be something that I would like to put in my collection.
     
  3. Steve W

    Steve W Well-Known Member

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    Without seeing how good it is, it's hard to evaluate it. but I sold this 1947 Super 38 for $1275 last year. No box, used.


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  4. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Thx Steve, your opinion is of the best. Look at the photos I uploaded and let me know what you think
     
  5. Leo

    Leo Well-Known Member

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    That is a beautiful handgun. I had to laugh at the price on the ammo. Today a box or .38 super goes for about $36-38 for 50 cartridges over the counter at the shop. Some collector will really appreciate that old COLT. Good Luck
     
  6. Steve W

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    It's a 3rd or 4th model. Likely a 4th with thin barrel.

    According to the 32nd edition Blue Book, assuming it's really unfired, new condition in box,

    3rd model: 100%=$2500, 98%=$2000

    4th model: 100%=$2200, 98%=$1800

    JFYR, Mine was a 2nd model, suppose to worth approx. $1000 more then a 3rd model if in 100% condition.
     
  7. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Thx Steve
     
  8. Mike Battista

    Mike Battista Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    Below is from the Blue Book:

    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
    N/A $6,000 $5,750 $3,500 $2,250 $1,700 $1,200





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    Super .38 Automatic Pistol 2nd Model Add to Collection

    View Historic Prices
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
    N/A $2,750 $2,400 $1,800 $1,400 $1,100 $900





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    Super .38 Automatic Pistol 3rd Model Add to Collection

    View Historic Prices
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
    $2,500 $2,000 $1,800 $1,200 $900 $750 $600





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    Super .38 Automatic Pistol 4th Model Add to Collection

    View Historic Prices
    Grading 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% 60%
    $2,200 $1,800 $1,600 $1,000 $800 $700 $600





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  9. sliverbulletexpress

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    This should bring at least book, take it to the Colt forum and find out for sure.
     
  10. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Thx everyone. Steve thinks this is a 3rd or 4th gen and he is usually spot on b ut the rt side of the trigger guard at lower front has a nuber 1 ??? dont know what that means
     
  11. grntitan

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    Lou--Colts have all sorts of markings on the frame and they all mean something different. Try this site above. It shows what most of them mean. I was able to ID all the markings on my 1939 manufacture year Colt 1911 Military Issue.
     
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    You have a very collectable 1911, especially in .38 Super. I have a similar handgun, however, your box is in much better shape and that adds quite a bit in collector's eyes. My Colt and yours could be twins as their condition is the same except for the box. You are a fortunate person to own such a piece. I hope there is a good story that goes along with the handgun -- pass it along if you feel so inclined...

    My advice (I realize you didn't ask me for any) would be to store this gun away and maintain it's condition. Any signs of more than factory fired use would lower the value a great deal. You have a museum quality Colt, IMO it's best kept that way. All of us firearm owners are, after all, just caretakers of these fine relics for a certain number of years, and then it is handed down to someone else. You have the power right now to decide who will own it next, and that's a god thing. The worst possible thing to happen would be for someone to turn the Super into just another shooter as the thousands of other out there right now. FWIW, the .38 Super garners better prices than the .45 ACP; only some rare calibers would ge more...

    To store, use a quality grease on the interior parts and frame. That same grease could be used on the exterior, but most (myself included) use a quality oil. CLP and similar oils are excellent products. Thanks for showing off your handgun -- I appreciate the effort.......cya
     
  14. ONEDOLLARBILL

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    It is a very Beautiful Gun ! Wish it was mine ! Congratulations on a Keeper !
     
  15. Steve W

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    The markings are different between early models & 3rd./4th., and your ser. # is a much later # too. That's why I said it's likely a 4th model.

    I don't have one on hand to measure or take pictures to show you the differences between 3rd. & 4th models.

    If it's a collectable gun in new condition, it's an absolutely must to keep it that way, one shot fired through that gun will cost you $500.
     
  16. cubancigar2000

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    Thx everyone who has shared their knowledge.
     
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    I showed the pictures to a Coilt Collector and he says around $1800 in unfired condition, w/box and paperwork absolute increase in price.

    Gary Bryant
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    My thoughts are it is a 1050's vintage?? I found a hang tag inside the box of this one for $10.95 but that cannot be??
     
  20. MisterHappy

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    Contact Karl Karash (a google search will bring him up) He's a noted Colt guy ( a lot of the pix in the reference books have his name under them)

    Nice guy, too.
     
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