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1899 GAH Images

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Drew Hause, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Drew Hause

    Drew Hause Well-Known Member

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    I have no connection to this sale, but amazing images in "Leslie's Weekly Illustrated" from the 1899 GAH, including this of Tom Marshall, the only 2 time GAH winner. I can't ID the other men, but he was in a shoot-off with C.M. Grimm, J.G. Knowlton, J.A. Jackson, S. Hoffman and Geo. Roll after all killed 25 birds.

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    Charles Grimm

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  2. Drew Hause

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    The Sporting Life report

    Won by Tom Marshall, of Keithsburg, Ill.; this being the second time he has carried off this honor. In 1897 Mr. Marshall won in a field of 135 shooters, being the only one to make a clean score of 25 birds. He shot that year from the 28yd. mark. This year he stood at 29 yds. and won against a field of 202 contestants. He had to kill 25 straight in the match during two days’ shooting, and then on the third day shot out five others who had tied him. To do this he was obliged to kill 38 straight birds, or a total of 63 (25 + 33 in the shoot-off). C.M. Grimm was 2nd after missing his 32nd bird.

    MONEY DIVIDED.

    The six men killing 25 straight divided the first six moneys, which amounted to $2430, or $405.05 each. The winners were Tom Marshall, Keithsburg, Ill.; C. M. Grimm, Clear Lake, Ia.; George Roll, Blue Island, Ill.; Dr. Knowlton, New York; J. A. Jackson, Austin, Tex.; S. Hoffman, Jr., Atlantic, Ia.

    Marshall received a prize of $500 in cash from the U. M. C. Company for winning the Grand American Handicap with Union Metallic Cartridge Company factory loaded ammunition.

    Guns Used: Parker - 78, Smith - 56, Greener - 31, Francotte - 24, Winchester - 12, Remington - 11, Cashmore - 10, Lefever - 6, Purdey - 5, Scott - 6, Colt - 4, Daly - 3, Stannard - 3, Boss - 2, Richards - 2, Baker - 2.
     
  3. Drew Hause

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    Image of Ed Banks (using a Winchester Repeater) clearly shows the walkway with the handicap marks, a box for empties, and the retrieving Pointer. He may have just shot and is shucking a shell

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    Thanks for sharing. Love the nostalgia.
     
  5. BigM-Perazzi

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    Wow! 29 yards and not a perazzi/krieghoff/browning around!
     
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    Drew, that is one great set of images. I wonder who the successful bidder was. The fellow who owns the Tom Marshall Cashmore award gun would be a likely bidder if he pays attention.
     
  7. spitter

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    BigM... thinking the exact same thing...

    So at some point there WAS more concrete... I have to imagine that somewhere, there are notes regarding the original rules and layouts of the trap fields and there must have been a reason for shortening the handicap distances OR is it possible that handicap distance was calculated in a different method?!

    Drew... Thanks for cool information and images!

    Jay
     
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    Looks like Mr Banks might be standing on the 18, I can't read the markers, or is the field for live birds different?
     
  9. Drew Hause

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    Rules for Live Bird Shooting; Notting Hill Boundary was 65 yd, Hurlingham Boundary 90 yd

    Rule 6— The Rise.— The rise shall be:

    Thirty yards for ten-bore guns.

    Twenty-eight yards for twelve-bore guns.

    Twenty-six yards for fourteen and sixteen bore guns.

    Twenty-five yards for twenty-bore guns.
     
  10. Drew Hause

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    Feb. 11, 1899 Sporting Life Trapshooting Rules & Regulations
     
  11. Drew Hause

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    The Interstate Association’s First Annual GAH at Targets June 1900

    "The traps were placed inside the live bird grounds, Nos. 2 and 3 being used. At No. 1 score a Magautrap was placed, at No. 2 a set of three expert traps, on the Sergeant system; at No. 3 a Magautrap; at No. 4 a set of five expert traps, throwing unknown angles. Nos. 1, 2 and 3 were arranged on the flat, or underground plan, without an inch of screen in the way. No. 4, the five expert trap set, had a low screen, and the shooting platform was almost on a level with the top of it. At the first three sets the targets were seen almost from the moment they left the traps, coming, as they did, directly out of the ground. This gave a quick sight, but to many men a deceptive one, as they were inclined to fire too quickly, often undershooting. Blue Rock targets were used, and a good, fair flight was thrown at a uniform speed and angle. Owing to the four different sets of traps, each with a different background, the scores were not high."
     
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    Marshall after his 1897 GAH win holding his Cashmore

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    His presentation gun

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    Cashmore Nitro Bolt

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    He used a Parker as Captain of the American team in the 1901 Anglo-American Match (see the link)
     
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    320090T:

    Mr. Banks was shooter NO. 216 and handicapped at 27 yards at the 1899 GAH. In his Winchest pump he used a Trap shell loaded with 48 grains of Schultze powder with an ounce and a quarter (1 1/4) of No. 7 Shot.

    Ed Banks is another old-time shooter who deserves to be remembered for all he did for trap shooting. He was a member of the GAH Handicap Committee, served as Assistant Compiler with Elmer E. Shaner, was a Trap Editor for Forest & Stream, Secreatry of E. C. & Schultze Powder Co., Representative of E. I. Du Pont Co. Powder & Sporting division, Served as secretary of the Interstate Association, was a Hercules Powder Rep and revised the trapshooting rules at one time.

    Besides all the work, he was a pretty good shooter as well. He was a member of the American trap shooting team that went to Europe in 1901. In 1902, at the last GAH at Live Birds, at Kansas City, he was one of 33 shooters to kill straight (25).

    This Englishman who came to the U. S. in the 1890's returned to England after retiring from Hercules Powder. In failing health he moved with relatives to Dyffryn, Wales, where he died at age 73, on April 25, 1930.
     
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    Great info and images. Thanks to all who provided.
     
  15. Drew Hause

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    Thank you Kenny Ray.

    Ed Banks at the 1901 Sportsmen's Exposition: Left to right -
    R.O. Heikes (Remington Hammerless), Ed Banks (Winchester Repeater), W.R. Crosby (Smith), Jack Fanning (Smith), possibly B. LeRoy (Remington)

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    Drew.

    The Sportsmen's Exposition picture was the tournament staged on the roof of Madison Square Garden wasn't it? Its hard to believe that the show was so big and had so many displays. They had Indian village set up, a pond for fishing, trap shooting, log cabins, taxidermy, and much more. I even remember reading about a guy who climed to the roof and would dive down into a pool or pond. Each time he came up bloddy or unconsious. One time they had to take him to the hospital. I followed the newspaper articles on him and he finally died.

    The good ol' days. Boy do I wish I had the chance to meet some of the old-timers of that era.
     
  17. Drew Hause

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    Scroll down just past 1/2 way on the link and I do have some infro on the
    National Sportsmen's Association Exposition at the Madison Square Garden, including reports on shooting on the roof!

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    Great stuff.. Thanks
     
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    Where was the GAH held that year?

    BTW the article states that a woman from Minneapolis shared in the prize money for the first time

    Regards from Iowa

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    Elkwood Park, Long Branch, New Jersey