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18.3 grains 700x

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  1. wayneo

    wayneo Active Member

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    I've got 4 boxes of shells that were reloaded. Old style AA hulls, win. 209 primers, win AA12 wads, 18.3 grains 700x, 1 1/8 oz #8. Can't find any data with these components and that much powder. Would they be safe, or any good for trap shooting? Or just give them away for hunting loads? Would be using them in a BT-99. Thanks for any info, Wayne.
     
  2. cmptrwz1

    cmptrwz1 TS Member

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    I wouldn't shoot those shells way over charged the max for old AA shell is 17.5 700x 209 win primer aa wad 1 1/8 oz lead is 10,800 psi at 1200 fps as per imr data
     
  3. Shooting Coach

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    The Lyman 4th Edition Shotshell Reloading Handbook (1998) shows 18.5 gr 700X with the CF (old style) AA hull, Win 209 primer, WAA12 wad, and 1 1/8 oz shot. Vel is 1205 and pressure is listed at 9900LUP.

    This load is on page 202 under "1 1/8 oz Target and Light Field Loads" and has been double checked for accuracy.

    Although not excessive, according to published data, this load appears to be FULL HOUSE for 700X and the components you have.
     
  4. Ken X

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    They're fine for handicrap.
     
  5. Shooting Coach

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    What MGM said! LOL

    I wondered about Lyman putting this load under target and light field loads. ??
     
  6. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    The maximum listed for 700X used be 19.1 grains. However, any time you approached 18.5 grains, the club members with ear chronographs would come sniffing around wondering why your loads sounded "like a rifle". Usually these people also loaded shells on a MEC with a fixed bar and never got near a scale. Those loads will shoot fine and Ken X has a good suggestion.
     
  7. Tripod

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    OUCH!!
     
  8. halfmile

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    Those are standard 3 dram loads. Max LUP for 12 guage is 10500 or so.

    700X is denser than Red Dot, Lots of people without scales simply changed powder and left the bushong alone (32-33).

    I picked up a shell and cut it apart once( I wasn't willing to just fire a strange shell) and it had 21 grains of 700 behind 1 & 1/8 oz of shot.

    Lord protect us from stupidity. That wouldn't blow up a gun but it would put a lot of undue stress on it.

    HM
     
  9. cubancigar2000

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    Just shot 300 just like those today. Not near as hot as STS Sporting Clay factory loads.
     
  10. cmptrwz1

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    There is a difference between the use of lup and psi LUP are almost 3300 psi lower then the stander psi reading so if you want to shoot shell that are equeal to proof loads as possible use the lup readings at there max most U.S. gun manufactue use PSI as a safty stander and not the LUP reading IF you check the IMR DATA manul that makes the power you will see that thay say that 17.5 is max for that laod at 10,800 psi.The lup reading will let you to think you are using a liter load then you are realy and it could be a problem the LYMAN BOOK I wouldn't trust I like factory reloading manuls who makes the power thay do the most testing on there product.This is my opion everyone has there own why of doing things and there own belives I'am not saying that you are wrong only showing some different facts it's up to you to make up your mind which is right. Good shooting
     
  11. BMC

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    I know a lot of trap shooters who use that exact recipe (18.0-18.5g) of 700x. Its actually one of the most common that I hear spoke of. I've got a few cases of them myself.
     
  12. Big Jack

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    Shoot 'em---would make great Oakly shells
     
  13. JLSIMON

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    The shells would be O.K. to shoot if they were loaded with the old powder before it was reformulated. Check out the IMR website, with these components and todays 700X 17.5 is the max...1200fps and 10,800psi. You cannot load todays 700X using reloading data from 20 years ago. Not safely anyway.
    Jim
     
  14. shot410ga

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    I shot that load for years on the 27, but used Federial primers. They really crack when you pull the trigger.
     
  15. claybrdr

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    When I shot skeet 30 years ago, a "standard" load was 18.2 gr 700x. Broke 134 straight and 149/150 with that load.
     
  16. hoosier

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    JL Simon, Could you please direct me to the page in the reloading manual that states your comment about old and new 700x. I have looked and can't find it. Thanks
     
  17. primer

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    I have used 18.5 ga of 700X for 20 years.No problems.
     
  18. JLSIMON

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    hoosier,
    You won't find it. A phone call would be in order to set the record straight.
    The powder was cleaned up and reformulated more than 10 and less than 20 years ago. The exact time frame, I'm unsure of. I've shot some of the old and a whole lot of the new and there is a difference. 19 grains of old 700X was stout. 19 grains of the reformulated powder will knock your fillings out!
    With AA components the "old" was 18.5=3dr and 17.5=2 3/4 dr. With the new it's a grain less 17.5=3dr and 16.5=2 3/4 dr. Again, thats with Winchester components. If you find out anything more, let us know. I have been known to full of it in the past....still happens on occassion.

    Jim
     
  19. JLSIMON

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    Bullfrog, aTraphead.....

    I know...remember the question was AA hull, Win209, WAA12. As great as it was, Lymans 4th edition had some perplexing, obviously outdated recipes being taken as gospel. Hopefully, it's been taken care of in the 5th edition now out.

    Jim
     
  20. Hauxfan

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    Don't be a wuss........Just shoot them and if they loosen your teeth, well, you can always come back and brag about that on TS.com.........lol

    Hauxfan!
     
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