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1180 vs 1145 ?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 635 G, Nov 11, 2009.

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  1. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    I've been shooting 1 oz loads @ 1180 for singles & short caps for the last 2 years & Remington labels them Trap loads. I've a couple of flats 11/8 @ 1145 & they are labled light trap. Now the question will my mental computer cause me to short shoot the slower shells. I shoot a high rib gun & the pattern is close to 100%. Since I went to the high rib & a Kick-ezz rocker pad recoil is no longer an issue & I will start going to 11/8 oz loads after my stash is gone. (35 flats).

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  2. Jawhawker

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    Rest assured that your mental computer is not stratigically sychronized to detect the difference.
     
  3. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    yuh think!!!

    Curt
     
  4. PerazziBigBore

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    Regardless of what numbers may say.. I have found slower shells DO shoot differently than faster shells...BUT.. I can only tell the difference past the 23/24 yard line... I need pull/break................. NOT pull............break.. That .00001 second delay seems like eternity to me.. and completely screws up my timing.. Now.. I don't think I could tell the difference between 1140/1180 But from the 27 1180/1270 is HUGE..to me.. Yes.. I've heard Leo can take a handfull of mixed shells and run'em from the 27.. Well.. in my next life.. maybe I'll shoot as good as Leo.. In this life.. I need all the help I can get.. All Good.. Mike
     
  5. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    Thanks PBB-you've answered my questions---I'll take whatever & shootem all.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  6. zzt

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    Phil, I have a different take on this. Time of flight differences are so slight you will not be short shooting anything because of it. However, you may notice a small change in POI between 1oz @ 1180 and 1 1/8oz @ 1145. I do when shooting a tight choke. The 1oz load shoots lower, so if I'm looking for 100% smoke, I have to adjust where I shoot.

    Since you are a short yardage handicap shooter, using 1oz @ 1180 for singles and 1 1/8oz @ 1145 for caps may eliminate the need to add spacers under the comb when switching from singles to caps. Especially since the STS 1oz loads I've chronoed all go faster than 1180fps. I usually get around 1230fps, so that's about 1200fps the way the factory measures them. The STS 1 1/8oz light target loads are right on, or a bit slow.

    I'd be interested in knowing if you see any difference at all when switching between those two loads.
     
  7. John Thompson

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    There is probably 35 FPS variance in shell to shell with either load.
     
  8. shannon391

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    I would for sure adjust my lead by a strong quarter inch.
     
  9. Remstar311

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    If not 3/8's of an inch tops.
     
  10. phirel

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    zzt- You stated that the flight time difference is very small. The drop due to gravity is directly proportional to flight time. So, how can the drop be significant if the flight time is not different?

    Pat Ireland
     
  11. dverna

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    I don't believe anyone can point a shotgun accurately enough to discern a difference in speed of 35 fps.

    We tend to screw with our minds over some of the silliest things.

    I took a batch of crappy reloads out to burn them up. 7/8 oz: 1 oz; light 1 1/8 oz: heavy 1 1/8 oz; high primers: Primers seated a bit too deeply; dished crimps; bulged crimps; mis-folded crimps; new hulls; hulls with splits at the crimp: buckled hulls. Broke 50 straight.

    Don Verna
     
  12. zzt

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    Pat, the difference (for me) is not related to flight times, gravity or pellet drop. It is related to the way I hold the gun and its upward rotation under recoil.
     
  13. highflyer

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    Difference on a long crosser between a 1290 fps load and a 1145 fps load. About 6 inches. Difference on a trap target, much less. Difference in speed between a 1200 fps load and a 1150 fps load at 40 yards. About 20fps. No need to beat yourself up with a hot load.
     
  14. Neil Winston

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    Exactly, Don. A couple of years ago I was totally tired out after a day of marathons at Minneapolis and someone wanted to shoot one more round of doubles. I knew I couldn't perform so I just dug out four boxes labeled "MIX" from a deep corner of my motorhome. "MIX" stands for unknown, orphan, the roll-aways you find under a toolbox by the reloader, funny crimps and crushed hulls. They are any weight, any speed, anything that will go into the gun. I broke my best score of the year, a 99!

    Neil
     
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