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100 PER TRAP

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by BeerKing, May 21, 2013.

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  1. BeerKing

    BeerKing Active Member

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    this is not to start a feud but just out of curiosity what is the preferred method of shooting 100 registered targets? In our area we see a variety of methods.

    100 per trap

    25 / trap, shotgun start. (start all traps shoot 25 and rotate. 1 to 2, 2 to 3, 3 to 4, 4 to 1 etc.)

    start one trap, no rotate, in other words start trap 1 and 2,3,4 sit idle. 1 goes to 2, squad 2 starts on 1 and 3 and 4 sits idle. You get the idea.

    1 to 2, 2 o 1, 3 to 4, 4 to 3, switch after 50. starts all 4 traps at once. ( hang up being fast/ slow squads and short squads.

    we went to 100 per trap when Pat traps and voice release became standard. Shooter can choose his trap. Plus we have to hire our setters and scorers and at $8-$9 a. Hour we can't have help sitting idle
     
  2. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    I like 50 and 50. 25 each trap seems to slow things a bit....
     
  3. Martinpicker

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    I agree with Joe. Martinpicker
     
  4. 320090T

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    On our marathon days we try to shoot 50-50 but on program days, we shoot 25x4. Problems with shotgun start are getting four squads to the line at once and slow or short squads will goof the timing up.

    I like the idea of 100 per trap if the backgrounds are all the same, like Corinth, Mississippi but if I had to shoot a 100 in front of the erector set at Indiana Gun Club, I would not be happy, happy, happy.
     
  5. Kemper

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    American trap, 25 X 4.
     
  6. John55

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    25 per trap, let everyone shoot the entire field unless it's a 2 field club, then 50 per field.
     
  7. 391 shooter

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    I have shot all these types and I like the 25 / trap, shotgun start. (start all traps shoot 25 and rotate. 1 to 2, 2 to 3, 3 to 4, 4 to 1 etc.)


    But I don't really care as long as it moves along at a good pace.
     
  8. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    We shoot on 3 fields. Squad one shoots 25/25/50, squad two shoots 25/50/25, squad three shoots 50/25/25. Squad four shoots the same as squad one, etc, etc. All squads start on field one.


    Eric
     
  9. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    The Grand used to be shot, "down the line". Shoot 25 on the first trap then skip eight traps and repeat 3 times.

    Old guys hated it but it spread out the backgrounds. More fair.
     
  10. grntitan

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    I prefer the way Singles and Handicap are shot at the Grand. 25 per trap with (4) traps per bank. I think the events run much smoother this way.
     
  11. bobdog

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    Like everybody else, I prefer 4X25, then 2X50, and finally 1X100. As a shooter, it seems more fair that everybody shoots on a variety of traps, with a variety of backgrounds (I agree with the comment about Indianapolis). And squad turnover is faster by definition. But it's different if you're trying to get everybody home for dinner at a respectable hour.

    The number of squads you've got and the number of traps makes a difference. We had to shoot 1X100 this weekend because we're growing our way out of a capacity issue. I worked up a model in Excel that let me play with the number of shooters, squads and traps. I didn't mess with the 4X25 alternative, but it turns out that 1X100 is a lot more efficient than 2X50, because half your traps are idle for the first and last squads.

    I spent a fair amount of time working out the finish time under each alternative, and the thing that makes the difference is leading and trailing squads, when one trap is idle. With 1X100, all of your traps are fully in use all the time. With 2X50, you add 30 to 35 minutes for the first squad to clear the trap, and then wait another 30 to 35 minutes waiting for the last squad to finish. So the difference between the two alternatives is about an hour per event.

    Another variable that matters is how many flights you have. There is a tipping point where you have to add another flight, which means you have to add another hour. If you're running six traps, for example, the first six squads you add don't matter at all. But as soon as you start the 7th, you've added an hour, and that's a problem if time is tight.

    My estimates were pretty close this weekend, so I can't be too far off. PM me if you want a copy of the spreadsheet.
     
  12. 320090T

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    Barry, did you ever go the wrong way dtl? Darn that was embarrassing.
     
  13. BeerKing

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    still wanting some more feed back please
     
  14. The Stive

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    I prefer 25 per trap and 4 trap banks. John
     
  15. RLC323

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    I like the 25 on four traps, starting on trap one. If the shoot is well run you can get a lot of squads through that way.

    The problem with 100 per trap is that the squads tend to mess around in between rounds. The impression is that since there is no squad coming from behind to push them, so they feel they have all the time in the world.

    At this point I just don't care to do the 100 per trap thing. I hate being the on deck squad trying to figure out what box the squad ahead is on. Do we have 10 minutes or 45 until we shoot?
     
  16. likes-to-shoot

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    The 100 per trap seems to get the day over earlier. For those of us who travel any distance it's the only way to go. As far as messing around between traps one of the officials should be on top of that.

    In my opinion the only time the 25 x 4 has any advantage of fairness between the three is when the background is considerably different down the line.

    My vote is 100 per trap.
     
  17. j2jake

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    For speed of completion, from mgmt side, I prefere 1x100 per trap. MGMT also needs to monitor to ensure squads don't "chew the fat" between boxes. As a travler getting done is important. Jake
     
  18. FRedmon

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    Regardless of 50/50 - 100 - 25/25/25/25 - folks in the know somehow wind up shooting on the best fields. Some layouts where all fields are similar make it fair for all.

    Layouts that have better fields or better backgrounds somehow manage to see the shoot management on those "chosen" traps....

    Of course this might not exist everywhere but it could happen at a club near you....

    FRedmon
     
  19. Steve Bills

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    25 per trap/using 4 different trap fields...seems to be more fair to all shooters./ Steve
     
  20. BeerKing

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    I will reinterate. Give shooter his choice of field
    85 shooters
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    trap help on the clock at $8.50 per hour
     
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