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whiz white 29-Mar-11 - 01:10 PM ET
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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 - 01:10 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.swsupply.com

MK: The spring height is what the machine arrived here with. I've not changes that, only the internal depth.

David D: Just make the ID a couple thousandths larger than the depriming shaft. You can make its diameter as large as you feel like, large enough to install one or two set-screws into. Do a taper from the outside diameter to the inside diameter, and make is smooth. I think a 60º cut would be fine, even a 45º would probably work. Just make it similar to the one pictured on the reloader here. The pictured one has two set-screws 90º apart.

Wished the guy who made these for me to sell would contact me. It's been a year or more since he sent me a sample and I lost his name. His (the one pictured) was made of stainless, and well made. The factory sells these for $10. Theirs is blued steel. I carry them.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: HSLDS
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Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 - 08:04 AM ET
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Whiz,

Could give a quick set of dimensions on the flaring ring??

I have been having troubles with wad insertion into 'older' AA shells - about one in ten hangs on the edge of the shell and really gets 'stuffed.'

I've replaced the ad fingers and I THINK I have the wad arm & height properly adjusted. I suspect a little more flare on the hulls would solve the problem.

I have access to a lathe so I can spin one off fairly quickly.

Thanks again for the repair parts for my Platinum 2000,

David Delacato

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2011 - 06:43 AM ET
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Thanks, Whiz... that's what I was looking for!

My spring height is set at 1.535" compared to your 1.470; your added spring pressure explains the taper you've got compared to mine.

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 10:19 PM ET
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MK: Now I undertand the distance you have a question about.

My mic shows a SPRING height of 1.470".

The 800 Plus manual indicates the tension is what determines the amount of roll.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Whiz: I'm measuring one of my 900s but we're talking about different nuts anyway. I can see from your photo above that your final crimp tool has less exposed thread above the crosshead than mine so the measurements we just did WOULD be different. But assuming that the tool itself hasn't changed, a comparison of the measurement I'm referring to should be valid.

I'm talking about the nut UNDER the crosshead (left photo), the one that changes the pressure on the spring that controls the taper, NOT the one that locks the tool height. I'm measuring as indicated in the right photo although measuring in the opposite direction would work as well.

     

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 05:31 PM ET
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MK: Actually, that dimension should change, because as you turn the threaded shaft on top of the tool head, that in effect raises/lowers the entire unit's length. All the nut does is lock the threaded shaft.

Are you measuing on one of the three machines I listed above, or am I not understanding you correctly?

Here's that shaft. Turning the threads HAS to change its length and the nut is nothing more than a locking nut.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Whiz: Measuring from the bottom of the crosshead to the end of the crimper collar I get 2.85" but that measurement really doesn't tell me what I'm looking for because that measurement doesn't change when the nut that control the spring tension on that crimper is turned up or down.

As I understand that tool, screwing the whole tool up or down (changing the dimension you gave me) controls the depth of the final crimp while increasing the spring pressure (turning the nut down) increases the amount of taper the end of the shell gets. My shells crimp fine; your shells appear to be more tapered on the end than mine. That's why I wanted to compare the amount of spring pressure each of us use and that's why I used the dimension I did.

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Greg, LV
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Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 04:55 PM ET
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Thanks Wiz, nice work. And looks like a sweet loader

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 04:40 PM ET
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MK: I think the better dimension would be the length of the final crimp shaft from the underside of the top toolhead to the bottom end of the final crimper. Realizing, of course, that spring tension may differ some from spring to spring, the over-all length might be a better item to look at.

Give me a second and I'll go measure that. It should probably be the same on the Platinums, 800 Plus, and Patriot machines, because they all use the same top toolhead (sort of)....

3.149" is about as good as I can measure with my small mic.

Hope this helps.

Incidetanlly, I installed a home made flair tool (seen at the decapping station #2). A fellow shooter made these to sell, and I'll be damned if I can remember who he was. It is well machined. It really isn't necessary for the AA hulls, but the STS and Nitro hulls tend to want to fold in some and this spreads the hull out for easier wad insertion. I also changed out the shipped swab with a 10 ga. brush.

Here's my setup.

Oh, just got a call from Wayne at the factory and was informed that the spent primer box has a better design than the one shown above. The left side of the box is higher than the right side to help catch a spent primer that want to escape. It will also have the hook moulded in the back side to keep the plastic box in place. The box you see in the above photo is metal; a proto-type and will not be available. It guess if enough folks want to buy them, my guess is that the factory would most likely ablige once the Patriot is done.

WW

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 07:22 AM ET
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>"MK, it does not look like any more than other loads to me?"
The reason I commented was that they look like the one-piece AA hulls with serious taper, and any time I use that much taper on my once-fired 1-piece AAs the edges get wrinkles in them.

It could be the hulls... they were freebies from a club basement stored for years in covered 55 gal. plastic trash cans without climate control.

I'm just curious, Whiz... do you know how turns of pressure in in that taper spring to its present setting? Mine is set with 2.418" from the end of the threaded shaft to the top of the spring retainer with .816" of thread exposed above the crosshead when it's in place.

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Mon, Mar 28, 2011 - 01:57 AM ET
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Heck - they are identical to new shells.

I haven't even come close to my standard desired deep crimp. There are always splits in them, right out of the barrel, fired as new. I only do them once, so the split does not bother me at all... unless, of course, it's a long splt, then they get File 13'd.

These are once-fired old style AA hulls, my favorite, and until I run out of them or die first, I'll just keep at reloading them. I don't even think I could ever reload all of them, even if I wanted to.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Didreckson
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MK, it does not look like any more than other loads to me? Guys with the 1100/391 shooters will appreciate that feature, and no doubt it can be dialed back some. I have used several Mec's, P/W and Spolar. My current Spolar I think puts as much or perhaps more than what I see on these once fired AA's, and so far I have been smart enough to not adjust anything. I load 99.9% STS and Nitro hulls. The only issue with those is a slight height difference which is just the way it is. I've learned to just live with it, but do wish Remington would dial those in tighter on tolerance. Still, the best hull currently I think.

Did anyone notice the split at the crimp on the 2nd reload up on the left side of the closeup besides me? That was one issue that turned me off AA hulls. They would often split on the first reload. Others would reload more times than a hull should be reloaded and fine. Go figure?

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 10:12 PM ET
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Man, looks like there's a lot of taper in those crimps!

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 09:41 PM ET
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Like this, Greg?

I like the final crimp a bit deeper, so I lowered it a half-turn AFTER I did these. I only reload once-fireds once.

I used Claybuster wads, as I ran out of the 1 oz pink W-W wads. I prefer Winchester OEM wads for all my reloads. Some of the pedals on the CB's had folded over, so I had to manually fix those while reloading.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Greg, LV
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 06:23 PM ET
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Wiz;

Can you post a few pics of shells loaded on it?

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 03:49 PM ET
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I reposted with a pic of the spent primer tray, which I received an e-mail about today, Sunday.

The GM at the factory tells me they will be plastic, but a new design. They are awaiting the completion of the mould.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: likes-to-shoot
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 03:35 PM ET
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Whiz......a couple of quick questions when you get time.

You said you mounted the loader on 3/8" thick steel plate. Did you drill all the way through it and the bench or thread the plate. If threading is there enough 'meat' to hold the loader and the hydraulic assembly?

Is the Patriot the same bolt hole pattern as the 800+ so a guy could change them without redrilling?

Thanks, Bill

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 12:01 PM ET
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SOUP: I made a little on the vibrators. Biggest problem with the entire process were two actually. What I really profited on was the satisfaction of accomplishing a task under fire, and honestly seeing you guys light up!!!!

First; I ordered more parts than needed, but not a total that would permit me to make more complete units. I needed to be sure I had everything and time to completion was an issue.

Second; I kept wanting to change the way I assembled them, but decided in favor on just making them all or nearly all the same, with the exception of the 9VDC units. They still got the power supplies for future use.

Dudley: The reloaders weight in at 55 pounds. I use FedEx and the factory uses UPS. Their charges are actual charges. Since Dick took over the factory's day-to-day operation, shipping as been actual, not a profit item for them.

If you got a reloader for $15, I'd scratch my head in wonder if someone didn't goof, because there is just no way in heaven that you can ship a 23x18x24 box that weighs 50+ pounds for $15. Absolutely no way. I've even shipped these using USPS, especially to Canada, South Africa, Australia, and the UK, and THAT GETS EXPENSIVE. I just got in a new fax machine and it was $17.67 to ship here.

I ship every day of the business week, so I can speak from experience. It's not uncommon for me to run up an invoice, weigh the goods and then log into USPS.com, UPS.com, and FedEx.com. I'll have three windows open on the computer and select the cheapest one. It normally is decided upon box size and insurance amount.

My biggest problem with shipping is buying from Perazzi. One small spring, or a simple little firing pin costs me between $10.36 and $11.34. I can ship one out for $1.52, but I insure everything and require delivery confirmation as well. Had a couple of guys take me for "not including" or forgetting something in their shipment. So now take a digital photo of every package before I seal the flap to prove or disprove the good were "in the mail."

Joe: I'll respond to your PM via email... it get too long winded here.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: hit
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 10:33 AM ET
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WHIZ ,

Vibrator has on the press and running for a week now . What a difference !!! ZERO-as in none -problems . I know you made nothing on these and I appreciate all the R & D you put into all the improvements for the PW loaders inprovements . Thank you once again . SOUP

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: joe kuhn
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 08:29 AM ET
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Whiz - could be some folks here didn't know you develop improvements right along with the factory. I didn't. Your post above makes that clear. Maybe they were speaking from the context of a potential new purchaser wanting to know if they were going to have to modify a new machine in order to make it functional which is reasonable coming from other brand experience. It looks like you are way beyond that point. I was wondering the same thing myself as this unit would surely be an upgrade from my 9000. Now I'm wondering, are you going to chew my head off for asking 'dumb' questions if I do decide to upgrade? (wink)

I see reasonable perspectives on both sides of your pissing match.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 02:19 AM ET
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Dudleyone: Keep me posted if you experience any trouble. I sent along a couple extra fuses in the event you blow them. You can get these locally at a Radio Shack or any electronics supply store. They are 5mm 2A models.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: dudleyone
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Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 01:20 AM ET
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Hi Whiz, received my vibrator and got it mounted on my 800+. Works flawlessly and need no adjustments to function properly. The instructions and pictures made it easy. Thanks for a great product.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sun, Mar 27, 2011 - 12:10 AM ET
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Hi Fred. Hope you and your bride are warm in your part of the country.

To answer your question, YES, you could load one shell at a time. The one thing that always caused me consternation was when I forgot a wad or primer... you had to turn off the powder at the right time, then turn it back on at the right time and likewise with the shot. Me chewing gum sometimes make for problems with me. This new setup is just slick, no other was to address it.

About the only other embellishments I have are the hard rams and posts, and the vibrator. The latter, the vibrator, is on a back burner as I just finished making 15 of them and shipping all out to prepaid customers. It just takes too long to make them.

I really want to see how this new primer tray mounted on kind of a free-floating large coil will work out. So far I have zero complaints.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 - 10:18 PM ET
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I am thoroughly happy with the new Patriot reloader.

I spent some time today setting it up, not necessarily the reloader, but making a couple of bushings that threw exactly 16 grains of Promo. The reloader ships with the normal "H" and 1 1/8 ounce bushings, but I had the 800 Plus set up with a "G1" powder and a #5 (1 ounce) bushing. I didn't want to remove these from the 800 Plus, so I ran a couple off on the lathe a while ago, and tweaked each bushing to throw 16.0 grains and 1 ounce of 8½ shot.

I also mounted it on a 3/8" thick steel plate, using some old exhaust header bolts that I taper cut in the lathe to fit in the tapered area on the reloader. When you buy a new reloader from me, I give you some specially hardened hex-head tapered bolts, washers and nuts.

The only adjustment that I felt I needed to attend to was the wad ram. It was fine right out of the box, but I like to seat my wads on the side of being too high, and then let the final crimp station shove things down to their proper height. This ram is a short shaft that screws into the underside of the crosshead. It is no longer that long, long shaft, with the knurled nut on top. This new ram is short, like maybe 2"-3". It is cinched tightly on the underside of the top toolhead with a 7/8" hex nut. Very easy to adjust, if you feel the need.

I did not touch either the brass primer seating assembly with its externally adjustable knurled sleeve, nor the shell seating post. The new shell seating post also has a knurled sleeve that is used for easily changing its height. You no longer have to raise the crosshead, loosed the 1/8" Allenhead set-screw and remove the entire shaft. Then you'd have to loosen the lock nut on the slotted-head screw and play around with raising/lowering the seating post. Put it back, try it, remove it, etc, etc, until you got things right. Now, if you feel the need to change the shell insertion depth (YOU SHOULD NEVER HAD TO DO THIS!!!), you simply loosen the Allenhead set-screw and turn the knurled sleeve to either raise or lower the seating post and retighten the set-screw.

Also, this new shell seating post is now a two-piece unit (three counting the cup). I wanted to machine-in a small magnet, but can't. The factory now has a tapered hex screw in that vicinity. This is so you can easily change seating post platforms when you change gauges. They were thinking on this one.

I reloaded several once-fired AA old style and new style hulls today, but I used the standard AA12 1 1/8 white wad, not the expected pink wad. I really needed to get off my duff and use the pink wad, because 1 ounce of shot in the AA12 wad just does not fill the shot cup to my satisfaction. When I get done reloading, I want my reloads to look exactly like factory loads.

It snowed a couple of inches here last night, so I didn't get out much today. I needed to get to the storage unit and grab some AA pink 1 ounce wads.

I ran several hulls through the machine, and found that I did not need the flapper hitting the primer tray as often as it did, so I simply turned the rubber flapper up to 12 o'clock to stop that. I have just never experienced a primer feed problem. What I do do, is raise the tray up as high as I can get it to increase its angle. I also did not install the extended primer tray that comes standard with the machine. Don't know why, but I was not going to "manufacture" several cases today, so it was not a necessary item. I found a standard plastic tray cover in a cabinet and used that.

One really, really nice thing about this machine is the no-shell-no-drop-shot-or-powder system. Man, what a beautifully engineer setup this is. WAYNE YOU DID GREAT!! At the 9th hull I decided to test this out. Normally, I would have had to have the vacuum handy, but with the new feature, WOW what a joy to eliminate the mess and PITA when you make a mistake. I will NOT drop anything is a hull is not present.

Changing bushings is absolutely simple. After my 4th or 5th hull, I decided to change out the "H" bushing because I weighted each reload, and the ”H” was throwing more than I liked. I shoot extremely fast, so I really don't need either 1 1/8 shot or a super fast shell. I wanted 16.0 grains, and the “H” was throwing closer to 18.

Here's how simple it is to change bushings:

1. I pulled the handle down to the stop block to drop shot and powder.
2. Reached around the top reservoir unit and remove the top clevis pin and pin.
3. Then I tapped the rectangular charge bar toward the front of the machine, and removed the aluminum removal hole cover plug (these are neat).
4. I took their brush, stuck it in the powder bushing, lifted it out and dropped in a G1 that I had just run off on the lathe.
5. Replaced the aluminum cap plug, reinserted the linkage pin in the rear and continued on.

This took me what, maybe at most 30 seconds. It should probably take less time, but I was being methodical and careful. There was not one glitch in the reloading process, so I simply picked up where I’d left off.

I then weighed the next reload and several following, and presto, I was dead on 16.0 grains of Promo. I am going to load some 27 yard shells later, probably tomorrow with WST. I try to duplicate the fps of the Nitro 27 shell, or the Federal Paper Handicap.

I normally shoot 8's from the 27 because I shoot quickly. I rarely us 7½'s, and only if there are no new 8 handicap shells available. I've been on the 27 since 1975, and do pretty well staying there. I firmly believe in NOT over-killing with 7½'s. Yah, I know, some of you shooters would beg to differ. I did shoot a 99x100 in the Vandalia Handicap at the Grand my first year I shot. I shot from the 23½ with RXP 8½'s. Consequently, I have stayed with that way of thinking.

Another thing I like about this machine is its newly designed handle. It really fits your hand and is very comfortable. Wayne you did good again. The knob is no longer a knob, but a triangular shaped sleeve that rotates on the "L" shaped metal handle. I had designed several of these two years ago but when I was at a friend’s (Tim Burke) metals manufacturing plant to have some bent at 90º, the worker messed up the area I had machined on the lathe. Consequently, I didn't pursue them, but intended to. P/W must have read my mind, because this is exactly the same design. I am going to make some of these handles for the Spolar reloaders this summer.

I like the new primer catcher. It stays put because of a clip in the rear that hugs the main cross-shaft… AND IT’S METAL ... CORRECTION: Sunday (just moments ago) I received an e-mail from the factory stating that the spent primer box will be plastic, not metal, as I previously posted. My Patriot has a metal box, but they fabricated and powder coated it there at the factory. Wayne's e-mail stated that they are araiting the completion of the mould to cast the boxes. I assume they will have an attachment hook to keep them in place.

I have yet to try out the Indexing Shaft over-ride because I have not forgotten to insert any wads.... yet. I will. The phone will ring, and I'll make a mistake, that's for sure.

I want to thank Dick, Bruce, Wayne and Tania at P/W for really improving on an already proven design. My machine is #0003, and I think within a couple of weeks, they will be shipping them. I have several sold already, so those guys will keep after me.

I think the aluminum top powder and shot drop system is fantastic. I have yet felt the need to make use of it rearward slide, but I am sure I'll screw up soon and need to "test" this out.

I’ll take some pictures tomorrow and add them to this diatribe. Right now it’s March Madness and I want to sit and sip a glass or two of wine and watch college basketball.

Here's a pic of my spent primer box regarding the change I was notified of today, Sunday:

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: setool
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Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 - 09:49 PM ET
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Give em' Hell, Whiz.... The 99.999% of us have your back !!!

Mark Schneider

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 - 04:45 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.swsupply.com

Thanks guys.

Now, if I can just get off this keyboard, I fully planned to load several hundred rounds today by hand, rather than wait for the hydraulic link.

In talking with the factory when they shipped me the video CD, I noticed that the extended primer tray was included, so I said to Bruce they should include the counter as well. Bruce indicated they they planned to do so, but were working on a method to adapt it to the Patriot. That's when I got involved.

Thursday, Wayne, General Manager of the Machining Division, and I talked a couple of times over the phone on a good way to do it. I, of course, did over-kill with the machined spacer bracket. Wayne said yesterday he tried it with a couple of spacers, which are easier for them to do, and cheaper as well. It involves another CNC operation of dilling and tapping. We're still working on the spring link for the counter, as it works a bit differently.

Another item that is standard equipment on the Patriot is the Die Rod and Swab. I, personally, prefer the brush, and stopped down to First Stop Gun to see Mike and Mark Blote yesterday to pick up a 10 gauge brush. I have an ample supply of the 12 gauge brushes in stock, but I wanted a more aggressive brush. I'll put that on the machine in a few minutes and run it through its paces and report back.

Another item I really like are the aluminum plugs which cover the shot and powder bushing holes. These are massive enough that they don't require thumb screws to hold them in place. VERY easy to lift out when changing bushings.

The factory is now working on getting a manual printed up. This is one area that most folks don't realize the extreme amount of time and effort that goes into a new system. I've written some manuals for a couple of large corporation while living in St Louis. You need to play devil's advocate when putting these together, AND you can never anticipate EVERYTHING, so they are a work in progress. One thing you have access to is me when a problem arises. I can hopefully answer questions when/if they present themselves.

I haven't yet figured out the Index Pad Lock, but give me a few cranks of the handle reloading and I will have that done.

Again, thanks for the "Thanks." I spent too many years in educational administration biting my tongue dealing with "adults." Kids I could generally reason with, but parents were a different story. Now that that's behind me, I can get my trigger pulled once in a while - especially when accused of something, when if the narrative was read and understood, no comment would have been necessary.

I apologize for that, but at my age, I have decided to not put up with less-than-intelligent remarks... ya, I know, let it roll off the back. I am too much of a pragmatist to do that. If it ain't fun, I'm ain't doing it, and if it causes a problem, deal with it.

Whiz White

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: PerazziBigBore
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My P/W 800+ I bought from Whiz was flawless.. right out the box.. I added a shell counter..and a vibrator for the primers..It was a useful addition.. but not really needed.. Whiz helped me so much with my 800C.. which I loaded on for quite some time.. If Whiz thought the press was bad.. he would not sell it.. The few dollars he makes on them is not worth having a bad name...His reputation is flawless...and it's always been a pleasure to speak to him.. Anyone..wanting to know the good.. the bad.. and the ugly about a P/W.. Whiz is the go to guy... All I can say..is "THANKS WHIZ'..for being there for us... All Good.. Mike

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Up for the new Patriot and Whiz.

I for one am anxious to hear about both his impression of the unit and enhancements he has cooking for it. On my old 800+ I put several "whiz" enhancements on it, and every single one of them improved the performance of the machine.

He posted the P/W factory video of basic operation and enhancements to the Patriot the factory did from the 800+, so if you need to see the Patriot stone cold stock, just check out the YouTube video.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Up for Whiz....

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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regardless of the negativity..... that is exactly what I said. why not cycle a few shells first. let potential buyers know how it works before modding it.

paul

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Whiz - why not do both? Test before and after your mods? That type of tesing is usually very informative.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Whiz: We have a group of people on this site that do not list their names, only hide and criticize. I know I have been subject to there incredible ignorance and rudeness, including wanting to know my income. So give them both barrels, reasoning with them is not posible. And frankly, as customers they would only be a pain in the ... Please keep us posted as to the modifications and how the new machine runs, including how it works with a hydraulic unit attached. Do it your way! Fred

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Well guys, Jim is trying to keep you updated on the new loader. Be patient, no one else is reporting on the Patriot reloader are they. He knows what he is doing and give him some time to get things set up. As far as buying Ponsness Warren equipment, Jim is the only game in town. No one else provides the customer service that he does. Guess what, if you end up buying one of these machines elsewhere and have trouble, Who are you going to call first? Have a nice day. Daryl.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Really... Bash me because I said you should at least try it before you modify it. I wasn't rude. You however were and so as far as being a customer of yours I will make sure that never happens

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Gez...whiz. Relax, no one said anything bad. We just wanted to hear your impressions of the new machine w/o mods first.

Mark

p.s. You have been here longer than me. I joined in 97 or 98. I did buy a 800 from you as well about the same time. No longer have it, thats why I am interested in the new loader.

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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"Have they improved the pre-crimp setting. Loosening a set screw and wiggling the assembly up or down with no "reference" has always been maddening."
I don't find much need to change the position of my crimp starter now that I use the smooth cone. But when I did, a reference was easy: a strip of aluminum foil HVAC tape around the shaft to mark the highest position. When it had to be dropped, spacers cut from sections of nylon bushings were stuck on top of the shaft with double-side tape to space it down to the right height before it was tightened.

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
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Date: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 - 02:03 AM ET
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Ya, right, do modify it! Get some fiber in your diets. What seems to be your problems?

There is no "modification," but if I chose to do so, I will. I am designing a plate in collaboration with the factory for the addition of a counter, and the possibility of a vibrator. I guess if that bothers you, then don't look. I don't seem to recognize either of your UID's, anyway and neither of your are customers of mine, so...

Furthermore, I paid for this reloader and I'll do whatever the heck I want with it. I happened to be one of the biggest dealers and after-market suppliers for P/W. Evidently, you've not been around here long.

DON: Regarding the dies, this machine uses the same crosshead as the 800 Plus, with the exception of the MODIFICATION to the crosshead with the introduction of bronze bushings in place of nyliners. Consequently, the die issue that you reference is the same.

It will be a few more days here at the shop before I reload a shell with it. I am awaiting a couple of items to get the hydraulic attached to this one, and I want to mount it on one of my steel plates. I have to think this will reload the same as the 800 Plus. I really like the top distribution housing. It is a lot like my Spolar with the charge bar, but a bit easier, in my opinion, to maneuver to remove bushings.

Speaking of Spolar, what a damn tradegy about Dicksie's accident. She's a great gal, and I wish her a speedy recovery.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Mark425
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Right...what kfbagt said.

I like the new loader...but...if the dealer is going to mod it before a single shell has been run through..................????????????????????

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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With all of the anticipation for this unit and you being a dealer.... Why not try the dang thing and report to people how it works before you go and modify it?? Just my .02, worth what you paid for it.

Paul

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
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Thanks for posting the photo, Whiz!

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: dverna
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whiz,

Thanks for the update.

Have they improved the pre-crimp setting. Loosening a set screw and wiggling the assembly up or down with no "reference" has always been maddening.

Are dies removable from every position? The 9:00 position on the old machines is blocked.

Did you get the power drive unit?

Don Verna

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Fri, Mar 25, 2011 - 08:47 PM ET
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OK, here you go...

The vibrator motor you see with the dngling power connector is NOT a part of the original Patriot. I am building a bracket to hold the control box for the vibrator assembly. It most likely will not need it, but I had one box left over after build 15 of these these past couple of weeks and decided to put it on my Patriot.

Whiz

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: Unknown1
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Whiz...

Hos about a picture of how the primer tray is mounted to it's bracket?

MK

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Subject: Got the new P/W Patriot
From: whiz white
Email: whiz@swsupply.com
Date: Fri, Mar 25, 2011 - 06:10 PM ET
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Got in the new Patriot couple of days ago and just got it unboxed and set up on the bench.

Haven't reloaded a shell with it yet, as I want to get a counter mounted on it. Been working with the factory on the best way to accomplish this.

I have also mounted a vibrator motor on it, but am thinking that the way the new track and tray are mounted on a floating spring, it may be over-kill.

I need to build a different triggering mechanism as their new aluminum black anodized top unit is much more massive. I like the use of a charge bar versus the two plastic gears run by the rack gear. I also really like the rear linkage that drives the charge bar, as well as the bronze bushings in the vertical posts and wad carrier.

I will come back here an post pictures once I get my bench cleaned up some. I have tools everywhere from working until midnight last night making a counter bracket.

Whiz

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