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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Dr.Longshot
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 09:07 AM ET
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THIS IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY AND FOR CURIOUSITY SAKE
I AM NOT SLAMMING ANY SPORT
I hate guys that read into others for their own intrepretation.
I just learned by looking at the Olympic Rules max shot size is 2.6mm which is American #6s, there is a reason for this, at the speed of the targets it takes a larger Diameter pellet to retain Energy to break the target.
Also I hate this rule you are NOT ALLOWED TO SHOOT A RELEASE TRIGGER IN OLYMPIC TRAP.
I wanted to try out for the 2016 Olympic Games.
You should read the rules, you must walk heel first and toes must flex, shoes have to pass standards, clothes must be a certain thickness, shooting vests must meet a standard, Blinders must not exceed forehead measurement, SPECIAL TARGETS THAT "PUFF" ARE MANDATORY IN SHOOTOFFS.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: BigM-Perazzi
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 09:32 AM ET
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Having difficulty getting blinders are you?????

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Joe Potosky
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You have issues with ATA trap and now issues with Olympic shooting. Just saying...

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Setterman
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Would make a good javelin catcher!

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Gary:
The shot rule is actually 2mm-2.5 mm ±.1
Release Triggers are dangerous and should be banned or so said both Perazzi and Beretta to The ISSF ShotGun Committee.
If you want to make the 2016 team you might be too late. You need to get moving. So to assist you in your quest I will pay for your first day of training on the Bunker at Gator Skeet and Trap in Gainesville, Fl next Saturday.
If you want to make the team its put up or shut up time.
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: joe kuhn
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 10:48 AM ET
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Do they shoot lead or steel shot?

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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LEAD... Steel not allowed. It may be plated however.
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: skeet_man
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 12:14 PM ET
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Actually, 2.6mm is SLIGHTLY larger than lead #7 shot (2.54mm or .100"). Lead #6 shot is 2.77mm (.109") and would be ILLEGAL.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: BigM-Perazzi
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 12:19 PM ET
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Please! Don't let facts influence a good, fictional, story!

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Dr.Longshot
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The Olympic Rule states Max shot diameter is 2.6mm I re-read it twice Talk about a lot of rules they have them down to shoes and clothing thickness and style of clothes allowed, absolutely no sneekers or tennis shoes.
GB DLS

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: ffwildcat
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Factory ammo contains a variety of shot sizes with most conforming to the stated or advertised size. In international competition the ISSF will randomly sample an unfired shell from all competitors and mic the shot. If your shot is outside the limits specified in the rules a second sample will be taken. If that sample also fails you will be DQ'd. I'm not aware of anybody shooting factory ammo that is a stated size larger than 7.5 which is more than adequate for breaking targets. Michael Diamond didn't have any problem breaking 125/125 in London in the qualifying round.
Do you understand why release triggers are not permitted in international shooting? If ATA if you experience a FTF what do you do? You open the gun and see what happened and explain the situation to the squad and/or scorer. In international competition you NEVER open the gun if you have a FTF. You raise your hand to attract the referee and safely pass the gun to the referee who will attempt to fire the gun and if the gun does not fire he will open the gun to determine the nature of the FTF. Explain to me how you "safely" pass a gun with a release trigger to a referee. Can't be done right. There's your reason for the rule.
If you want to try out for 2016 go right ahead. I recommend you take Tom up on his offer. Fly to Florida, shoot a day of bunker and see how you do. Or go shoot at a bunker near you if you have one. If you can shoot 110/125 you will be competitive on the national level but not on the international level. Got to crank it up to 120/125 if you want to play in Rio.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: skeet_man
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 01:21 PM ET
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Not disputing 2.6mm. I'm disputing 2.6mm=#6 shot, because it DOESN'T!

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: 870
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ffwildcat:
I like your explanation of the release issue better than what I usually see on here, it sounds good at first; but what ftf situation would occur where the trigger was still set, except for a flinch, which I assumed would not cut it in bunker? I just can't think of any off the top of my head.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: running bear
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Lonsh"t woke up again! Now bashing another sport that he has nothing to do with.
Buck

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: semperfi909
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Hmmmmm - if you have a FTF w/ a release that would mean the trigger has been released. How would that not be safe to pass to a ref???
Releases were banned because they were considered to be an unfair advantage and not everyone could come to terms w/ a release. I have trouble w/ a pull on the first shot so everyone has an unfair advantage over me. But do they care about that. OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
BTW, 2.6mm = 0.102362204724094". #6 shot is 0.11, substantially larger. The 2.6mm size will accommodate #7 shot which has been an international competition standard for about a jillion years. Best as I know anyway.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Rich219
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You really can't wear sneakers or tennis shoes?

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: perazziuser
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99% of the competitors wear sneaker/tennis/athletic shoes. He's going to have to quote that one.....
Jeff Holguin

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Longshot....
Hear you are having a new gun built. Bring it on down and let us show you how to shoot Bunker.
The targets are free for you.
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: 870
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I think LS got lost in the rulebook and didn't realize he was reading about rifle shooting for some of that.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: skeet_man
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Date: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 - 03:19 PM ET
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He in correct in terms of sneakers:
"9.9.1.2 Sneakers, sandals or any other similar footwear without a strap or full support at the heel, without a medical certificate are not allowed."
That being said, its not uncommon to see violations like this in ISSF events. IE the blinder rule. Very specific rules on the size and location of blinders, however I've seen shooters using grossly oversized blinders when watching the ISSF videos online.
I can find no reference to "you must walk heel first and toes must flex" in the ISSF rule book, "clothes must be a certain thickness" I believe refers to rifle competition, I believe "shooting vests must meet a standard" refers to the low gun marker on the vest for int'l skeet, but that wouldn't be necessary in int'l trap.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
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RE: "9.9.1.2 Sneakers, sandals or any other similar footwear without a strap or full support at the heel, without a medical certificate are not allowed."
Note that normal sneakers/snadles, etc are allowed with the heel support.
Indeed, in rifle, to keep the "Penguin Walk" off of TV, ISSF has mandated the heel to toe walk (DQ'd if you don't after a single warning). Also, this year they are implementing bending/flex tests for the shooting boots/shoes that is tested during equipment checkin
Blinder max size was implemented so that the cameras could see the expressions on the shooters face.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: jhoward
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If you are only allowed 7/8oz, or however many grams, of shot, wouldn't you want the smallest shot that would get the job done so you'd have better pellet count? According to my chart, 7/8oz of #6 is only 195 pellets where #7 gives you 260, and 7.5 gets you up to 303.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Redcobra
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But most athletic shoes (i.e. "sneakers") do have a full strap or full support at the heel. I believe they are referrring to open back shoes.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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I hate these rifle "Gumby Suits" Its what indirectly caused us to lose the Atlanta Facility. These rifle shooters dress like its snowing and freezing but it was July and 100 Degrees outside. They turned down the A/C till it was like a "meat Locker" and the power bills went through the roof. The County got pissed and closed the place. If we shoot in the outdoors and heat so should they.
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: goatskin
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LongShorts reminds me of that talking Barbie that caused all the consternation a few years back when you rubbed her belly, she's say, "Math is sooo hard!"
Ignore the 'release' nonsense. It's a distraction, and a handwave. If you'll set your triggers to 4½#, your flinch will disappear, anyhow.
CC has a bunker, LS what have you shot there?
Bob

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: oleolliedawg
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Italian foreign shooters will not recognize release triggers for several reasons. Primarily it's their inability to make one that works and also their inability to find the deodorant aisle in the supermarket. It must be hard to learn to build an American made product when the instructor is continually overcome by BO!!

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: MilCon
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The shot size works out to about what we ( the USA) would consider a #6.75 to 6.8 shot size. that is why most shoot # 7's.
At least that is what my calculations come out to.
Ken

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Bueno
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Excuse me, but I have shot a few rounds of international trap and have never heard of any rule prohibiting sneaker use. Please read the whole complete sentence of the rule, not just a part of it as it goes:
"9.9.1.2 Sneakers, sandals or any other similar footwear without a strap or full support at the heel, without a medical certificate are not allowed."
It means that footwear must have a strap and full heel support, not that sneakers per se are not allowed. A majority of the shooters, of international olympic trap teams, wear sneakers, the best kind offer full side support such as those used by weight lifters.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: PAR8HED
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Tom, if he shows up send me the bill. Targets, ammo, heck I'll even pay the gun rental.
On the shoe topic, read the rule in its entirety. The key language is the without strap or support at the heal. What's really off limits is flip flops and such. I remember a discussion at the referee school and the consensus was crocs would probably allowed as they have a heal strap.
On the question about shot size. #8 makes a really sweet first barrel, if you can find them. Most shells are 7.5.
HJH

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Rich219
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Sportshot,
I'm not sure what decade you're living in but where I come from they are still called sneakers.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Avaldes
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Date: Tue, Aug 14, 2012 - 02:15 AM ET
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Out of curiosity, what advantage, or significant safety risk do sandals pose during a trap shooting competition?

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Joe Potosky
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RE: sandals
Sneakers, sandals or any other similar footwear without a strap or full support
Your moving after each shot. Not the time to lose a shoe or stumble into the shooter in front of you because of poor choice of footwear.
By the way. FITASC has a dress code also.

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Gary:
You coming Saturday? Hal said he would pay the bill. I have a nice Perazzi Flat Ribbed bunker gun for you to shoot. It has an adjustable comb (rubber or wood) that we can set just right for you.
Come on down and learn how bunker is shot. If you want to make the 2016 team you will have to get a move on. The Fall Selection Match is in early October in Keerville Texas.
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: lovethesport
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Dr longshot
Respectfully
Pictures would help with regards to your claim on shot size

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Dr.Longshot
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2.6mm is bigger than a #7 and a hair smaller than a #6 a 2.5mm is smaller than a #7 USSOC uses 2.6mm as max shot size look it up on a metric conversion chart.
Gary Bryant Dr.longshot

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Gary
Who is USSOC?
Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: BigM-Perazzi
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Union of Soviet Socialist Olympic Committee ...defunct since the collapse of USSR

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Gary is really pulling our chain. He has no intention of showing his face on a bunker. But I do love showing everyone what a wuss he is.
T

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: BigM-Perazzi
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T, I assumed he was in a bunker!!

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: ljutic73
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They are called rules...if ya don't want to play by the rules...stay home...

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: Dr.Longshot
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Will try Bunker shooting at the Cardinal this week, how fast of a shell am I allowed and how much shot and what size of shot.
Is 1 1/4 oz Nickle Plated #7s still allowed, that is what used to be used.
I know plated shot is allowed.
Gary Bryant Dr.longshot

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: perazziuser
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Thats a great pheasant load!
In competition we are limited to 24 gram, 7/8 oz.
Jeff Holguin

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: TBaber
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Gary
Please let us know how it goes. Am real interested in your reception at Cardinal Center's Bunker.
Wish you were coming down here though. Tom

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: PAR8HED
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Black powder used to be used as well. Shoot whatever makes you happy, a AA-12 if you want. But if you want to play by the rules, you already know what you need to bring.
HJH

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: erock_germany
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Hi, just to clarify it clearly on the shot size - the most common size used in Europe is 7 1/2.....this is 2.4 mm
Why? Well for some strange reason most ranges do not allow larger than 2.5 mm. This is a wierd regulation in effect in Germany as well as a few other countries (in the Netherlands and Denmark ONLY steel shot is used and I do not shoot there becuase of it).
Anyway, these are typical trap loads by Clever...you can see on the shell 7 1/2 marked clearly as 2.4mm

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: NJCOP
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What were ya talking about?

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: erock_germany
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Originally.....shot size....
After researching, the conversions seem to be different in different European countries. I found a conversion chart and will post later today...keeping in mind it is from the internet and does not make it the gospel...

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Subject: In Olympic Trap you can shoot 2.6mm shot thats #6
From: erock_germany
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So, to add to the discussion again....I have shot in lots of Olympic Trap events with ISSF Judges and I have worn sneakers (or trainers or sport shoes or whatever you may call them), I have worn shorts (that came to the top of my knee)and never been flagged. I never shot #6 shot but for the discussion, here is a conversion chart for sizes. Most guys I have ever seen shoot 7 1/2 including myself. Some 8. I have never noticed 7 but I will look out for it. I have NEVER seen 6 or 6 1/2. So the initial worries are crap. Go out and shoot.

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