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zackwater	13-Jul-12 - 10:32 PM ET
charleyj10	13-Jul-12 - 10:44 PM ET
grntitan	13-Jul-12 - 10:58 PM ET
goatskin	14-Jul-12 - 12:50 AM ET
bowsnbulls	14-Jul-12 - 01:28 AM ET
Spanky	14-Jul-12 - 10:46 AM ET
charleyj10	14-Jul-12 - 11:28 AM ET
goatskin	14-Jul-12 - 01:21 PM ET
charleyj10	15-Jul-12 - 01:06 PM ET
wingmaster78	15-Jul-12 - 01:47 PM ET
goatskin	15-Jul-12 - 02:14 PM ET
wingmaster78	15-Jul-12 - 02:23 PM ET
charleyj10	15-Jul-12 - 02:56 PM ET
goatskin	15-Jul-12 - 03:09 PM ET
goatskin	15-Jul-12 - 03:14 PM ET
wingmaster78	15-Jul-12 - 04:26 PM ET
claybrdr	15-Jul-12 - 05:57 PM ET
motordoctor	15-Jul-12 - 05:59 PM ET
zackwater	16-Jul-12 - 10:37 PM ET
Dirtyharry357Mag	16-Jul-12 - 10:58 PM ET
waverider	16-Jul-12 - 10:59 PM ET
grntitan	16-Jul-12 - 11:17 PM ET
jhoward	17-Jul-12 - 08:37 AM ET
BigBadBob	17-Jul-12 - 09:30 AM ET
BigBadBob	17-Jul-12 - 09:35 AM ET
grntitan	17-Jul-12 - 09:50 AM ET
BigBadBob	17-Jul-12 - 10:09 AM ET
zackwater	17-Jul-12 - 11:58 AM ET
Hitapair	19-Jul-12 - 09:26 PM ET

Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: zackwater
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 - 10:32 PM ET
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Just got in a set of Muller choke tubes for a Blaser super trap. Only one problem, they will not stick to my magnetic pad I place the gun on. I guess I have to buy one of those toe pads. I will be shooting an unsingle and an over/under. As many Muller as there are out there, I am sure I am not alone. What should I get. Marty

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: charleyj10
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 - 10:44 PM ET
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I have three Mueller chokes. You will need one of those generic leather toe pads that will fasten through shoe strings, which means some kind of lace-up shoe or boot, no loafers or sandals.
I like my Mueller chokes, especially the U2 choke for the first shot in doubles. I may go to a U1 for the first shot.
Charlie

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: grntitan
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2012 - 10:58 PM ET
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Hold tight fellas. The anti-toe pad crowd will be along soon to tell you how dangerous it is and how you will shoot a hole in your foot. I'm a toe pad user myself. Just warning you of the eminent doom preachers.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: goatskin
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 - 12:50 AM ET
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I have no idea who makes them, but I have seen pads made with rare-earth magnets. and they pick up, even with extended titanium chokes.
I'll betcha if you bought a r.e. magnet off eBay or Amazon, Lonesome Charlie, or Shamrock would make you up a sovereign pad.
Bob

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: bowsnbulls
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 - 01:28 AM ET
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I have Mueller's also and love them, I got my leather toe pad from, http://www.traphappens.com/page/403949600?page_566594090=2

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: Spanky
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 - 10:46 AM ET
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You'll get use to the toe pad. I don't generally shoot in flip flop or sandels and use the same mid-weight and light weight hunting boots throughout the year. Pads stay on year round range and field use. You'll find the right shoe. Nice gun ya have, can appreciate the muzzle care you take.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: charleyj10
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 - 11:28 AM ET
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Bob, Mueller chokes are made from an expensive aircraft grade of aluminum and ceramic. No magnet will attach to a Mueller choke.
Charlie

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: goatskin
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2012 - 01:21 PM ET
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Charlie, a rare-earth magnet is strong enough to reach a past a non-ferrous choke and find barrel steel.
While it won't have the same 'purchase' as the usual kind, where you can wave the pad around, it is plenty 'stuck' to move from station-to-station.
I use a toe-pad, myself: if I don't forget my shoes, I always have a place to put my gun, but the technology is there to dodge Mueller chokes, and even Briley's extended titanium and still use a padded mouse pad.
Bob

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: charleyj10
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 01:06 PM ET
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I did not know that about rare-earth magnets. Got to be expensive tech.
Charlie

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: wingmaster78
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 01:47 PM ET
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Hope you don't accidentally blow your toe off.
There you go Matt. It's amazing how you knew someone was going to mention the idiocy of pointing a gun at yourself.
Hope the kids in the SCTP Nationals at Sparta aren't using toe pads next week. Blatant SCTP rule violation and could get them disqualified.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: goatskin
Email: b.sikes@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 02:14 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.amazon.com/Magcraft-NSN0604-1-Inch-Magnets-4-Count/dp/B000SO4L4E/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1

Yeah, Charlie, they are interesting critter, and not overly expensive, considering.
Mash the link above. One of those disks will pickup and hold 10# ... it will stick to barrel steel ¾" away.
I think the SCAP no-toepad makes sense ... for ATA, not so much, including for kids shooting ATA.
For the life of me, I have not figured out why EVERY range does not have carpet squares, or mouse pads on every station, anyhow.
Bob

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: wingmaster78
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 02:23 PM ET
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Goatskin,
A good rule for SCTP but not for ATA? Trapshooting is trapshooting and the ATA is the governing body of the SCTP, What a stupid statement that was.
It almost sounds like .... Nevermind, there is no use arguing with hard-headed old trapshooters.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: charleyj10
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 02:56 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.amazon.com/Grade-Neodymium-Magnets-NdFeB-Earth/dp/B000MKBYGM/ref=sr_1_24?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid

Bob, if this is the same quality of magnet, it would be a good fit in my existing pad.
Have you read the reviews on some of the BIG magnets? Hilarious!
Charlie

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: goatskin
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 03:09 PM ET
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Wing, while I recognize my position on toepads may suffer from consistency issues, I am also a fan of adult assumed risk and parental responsibility - as well as safe gun-handling.
FWIW, I don't think that eye- and hearing- protection should be required, neither - for registered (read: adult) competition. Assumed risk, yanno.
I also don't think that reduced-fee shooters (kids, mostly) should shoot for pots, so, yeah, it's very possible I am a curmudgeon.
Have a delightful, happy Sunday, anyhow.
Bob

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: goatskin
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 03:14 PM ET
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Charlie, that magnet has 18# of grab ... are you sure you want to have to stand on your pad with both feet to extract your gun? :-)
My son's gf was always losing her cell-phone, so he 'solved' the problem with a big NdFeB magnent, stuck to her fridge ... 'slap the phone on there, and you'll always know where it is.' right?
errrr ... NO. When he bought her a new phone, he took the magnet with him.
Bob

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: wingmaster78
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 04:26 PM ET
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So Goat,
"my position on toe-pads may suffer from consistency-I am also a fan of adult assumed risk and parental responsibility- as well as safe gun handling"
Since when is pointing a gun, loaded or not, at your foot considered safe gun handling? Our team rules are 1. open or out. 2. load one, shoot one. and 3. MUZZLE POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION!!!!!
Even though the kids pay the same amount to be a member of the ATA and are granted the same rights as a member that you are, they should be under different rules than you are?
A bit hypocritical I would say.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: claybrdr
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 05:57 PM ET
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I thought this was going to be a parody post...
It is, isn't it?

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: motordoctor
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 - 05:59 PM ET
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why not get one of the metal barrel rests that stick to the underside of the barrel. they work great, never comeoff and are safer then the toe pad. motordoc

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: zackwater
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 - 10:37 PM ET
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I guess I am not familiar with the metal barrel rests which stick to the underside. Where can I find one.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: Dirtyharry357Mag
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 - 10:58 PM ET
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metal barrel rests, Meadows Muzzle-Rest Long Chokes.. $16.00
http://www.gamaliel.com/toepadsrests/meadows-muzzle-rest-long-chokes.asp
good luck Harry

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: waverider
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 - 10:59 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.gamaliel.com/pc_combined_results.asp?tab=style&search_style=(searchexact~p.searchfield5~M

The stick on barrel rest is by Meadow Industries, not sure if they have a web site yet. Gamaliel carries their sights. Gamaliel link above.
Also, before all the rage about the magnetic pads, I remember seeing one with a tapered cylinder on the leather pad. Should work on most chokes unless it is really over bored.
Jason

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: grntitan
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 - 11:17 PM ET
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wingmaster,,
FYI, The ATA is NOT the governing body of the SCTP. In fact they are completely separate organizations. AIM is the youth shooting program of the ATA and I believe they do not have the asinine rule against toe pads. Honestly if you can blow your toe off by resting a break open gun on your toe pad, you really shouldn't be shooting to start with. Of course, just Say'n..............

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: jhoward
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 08:37 AM ET
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Just attach a piece of string to your current pad. Drop it on the ground, rest the gun on it, use the string to pick it up when you move between stations. Just attach the end of the string to your vest or pouch and you're good to go. Drop it into your vest pocket or pouch when not in use.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: BigBadBob
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 09:30 AM ET
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Grntitan,
I beg to differ with you on your statement the the ATA is not the governing body. I will concede that it is not the NGB of SCTP. Wingmaster was partially right.
In the most recent SCTP Handbook for this (2012) season, it states on page 5 of the 22 page handbook that the NGB (National Governing Body) for American Trap is in fact the ATA.
The SCTP was founded in 2000 as an American Trap program originally in a pertnership withNSSF ( National Shooting Spoerts Foundation) and the Amateur Trapshooting Association.
Read the entire SCTP Handbook when you get a chance.
Just sayin'

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: BigBadBob
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 09:35 AM ET
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Matt,
You are aslo correct that the ATA does not forbid toe-pads. In the rulebook it does state that " although not forbidden, their use is strongly discouraged"
As has been stated many times on TS.com, "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. and, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink!!!"

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: grntitan
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 09:50 AM ET
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Bob,
It may say that in the SCTP handbook but the ATA has no control over the SCTP program. SCTP uses different rules for classification, trophies and many other things. I will concede that the ATA is the heart of American Trap.
Did the ATA and SCTP work out their differences where the SCTP targets can be Registered with the ATA again? Our local team quit shooting SCTP when they would not allow the targets to be registered. We chose instead to take the kids to local ATA shoots so the kids could amass their required target minimums for the Grand. We shoot AIM exclussively now.
And you are right about the opinion thing. I am well aware of your stance on toe pads. That is your choice and right to not like them and it should be everyones option to use one or not. I just don't think we need rules for everything.
Good luck to your group this week at Sparta.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: BigBadBob
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 10:09 AM ET
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Matt,
The trap targets for SCTP are NOT registered but the skeet and sporting clay targets are. Go figure. I wish they were registered.
As far as registered targets being required for AIM, the handbook states that there are no requirements for registered targets in the AIM program. We did as in years past, made sure our kids had at least 300 registered targets before our Stae AIM shoot and then we got 200 more at State so all our kids have at least 500 before the AIM Natuionals. We only have a couple of kids that will shoot any events at the actual Grand.
I personally like the SCTP even without the targets being registered. I like the coaching philosophy of "Honor the Game" I like the need for these kids to have good grades to be able to compete. In my experiences the last 5 years with both youth programs, and many kids who have gone on to college, the discipline and friendships and confidence in these kids is astonishing. I don't know of any other sport that I have been involved with (other than archery)that builds as much confidence and awareness as shooting trap.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
From: zackwater
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Date: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 - 11:58 AM ET
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In the Arkansas school trap events you are not allowed to use a toe pad. So, I guess if my son is going to use Muller chokes I will order some of the fancy magnets and rig up a shooting pad on my own.

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Subject: Muller chokes, what toe pad
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Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 - 09:26 PM ET
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ttt

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