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hunter44	02-Jul-12 - 02:32 PM ET
Gary Beer	02-Jul-12 - 02:54 PM ET
dickgtax	02-Jul-12 - 03:04 PM ET
grntitan	02-Jul-12 - 03:28 PM ET
hunter44	02-Jul-12 - 03:38 PM ET
WPT	02-Jul-12 - 03:51 PM ET
grntitan	02-Jul-12 - 04:12 PM ET
partygirl	02-Jul-12 - 04:39 PM ET
hunter44	02-Jul-12 - 04:42 PM ET
over the hill	02-Jul-12 - 04:47 PM ET
grntitan	02-Jul-12 - 04:48 PM ET
870	02-Jul-12 - 04:51 PM ET
blade819	02-Jul-12 - 05:31 PM ET
1oldtimer	02-Jul-12 - 05:40 PM ET
Lewes	02-Jul-12 - 05:47 PM ET
sangamo special	02-Jul-12 - 06:58 PM ET
frostyman	03-Jul-12 - 05:59 PM ET
Martinpicker	03-Jul-12 - 07:29 PM ET
BigM-Perazzi	03-Jul-12 - 07:32 PM ET
Barry C. Roach	03-Jul-12 - 07:34 PM ET
skeet_man	03-Jul-12 - 08:19 PM ET
tbobaa	04-Jul-12 - 02:09 PM ET
tbobaa	04-Jul-12 - 02:13 PM ET
Oscar Ray	04-Jul-12 - 03:01 PM ET
Joe Potosky	04-Jul-12 - 03:53 PM ET
jbmi	04-Jul-12 - 04:47 PM ET
skeet_man	04-Jul-12 - 04:59 PM ET
Oscar Ray	04-Jul-12 - 07:34 PM ET
frostyman	04-Jul-12 - 09:34 PM ET
Ponytail in WI	04-Jul-12 - 10:10 PM ET
oskerspap12	05-Jul-12 - 10:56 AM ET
straightshooter1	05-Jul-12 - 12:22 PM ET
wecoach	06-Jul-12 - 10:10 PM ET

Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: hunter44
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 02:32 PM ET
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Planning to try out & possibly purchase an MX15 or MX2000 at the Grand. Will most dealers take a personal check for a gun purchase?

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Gary Beer
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 02:54 PM ET
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If you have enough money in your checking account, just take the cash out and take cash!! Cash seems to speak a different language than a personal check?? Also If you find a private party gun that you like and want to buy, cash will certainly work better in that deal.
GBeer

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: dickgtax
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 03:04 PM ET
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You may be able to buy a gun at the Grand, pay for it, shoot it, and take it home with you.
Just not legally.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: grntitan
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 03:28 PM ET
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I don't know about most, but at least one dealer took my check. I would say if they want the sale they all would. That get said, cash offers some negotiating options that checks don't.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: hunter44
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 03:38 PM ET
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Sounds like cash is the way to go.......thanks!

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: WPT
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 03:51 PM ET
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Send me your check and I'll send you an MX-2000/8 combo thats like brand new ... 31 1/2 - 34 ... upgraded wood ... Pull triggers ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: grntitan
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:12 PM ET
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Bill,
Check for $1000 on its way.................

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: partygirl
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:39 PM ET
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That's not all. You have to be cleared by the Ill State Police. They do a complete body cavity search, draw blood, collect urine, and put you on a lie box. If you pay cash they consider you questionable. If you charge it they consider you questionable. Your in Illinois now mister, home of the Grand American.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: hunter44
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:42 PM ET
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Ah yes, the Grand American. Greatest show on earth........sure glad I don't have to travel too far to be a part of the big shoot!

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: over the hill
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:47 PM ET
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Used to be good deals at Vandalia by people walking down the Midway with a For Sale sign sticking out of the barrel.
I would imagine things have not changed, only a much bigger area to look out for.
I also would imagine with proper ID dealers would take a check, however, as stated above, cash reigns supreme.

Regards....Gerald

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: grntitan
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:48 PM ET
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Ignore the ridiculous untrue comments hunter. Illinois residents have it tougher to buy a gun at the Grand than anyone else. For the most part, out of State buyers take the gun with them that day. IL residents must wait 24hrs to pick it up. No loops to jump through no special procedures. That is from dealers as the question was posed. Now IL residents may buy from another IL resident(individual not buisness) face to face and take it with them that day right there and then with no more than a simple exchange of money and a little personal info for their own personal records.
Perfectly legally.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: 870
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 04:51 PM ET
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I think dickgtax was referring to buying a gun from an individual at the grand as being illegal if you are from out of state. That is true everywhere. Generally, not a problem when buying from a dealer.
It just went downhill from there until Matt's post.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: blade819
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 05:31 PM ET
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I have bought several shotguns at the grand, from dealers, and took them with me out the door.
blade819

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: 1oldtimer
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 05:40 PM ET
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Whats the deal on tax if you buy from a dealer & you are out of state? Clyde

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Lewes
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 05:47 PM ET
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To answer 1oldtimer2 years ago I purchased a gun from a dealer at the grand and had it shipped to an FFL dealer in my home state of Delaware. No tax paid since DE has no sales tax. If I took it home with me I would of had to pay IL state tax. Saved a bundle. Irv

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: sangamo special
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Date: Mon, Jul 02, 2012 - 06:58 PM ET
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I take checks same as cash!
Terry Jones

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: frostyman
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Date: Tue, Jul 03, 2012 - 05:59 PM ET
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I think the real Federal rules are if you are from a state that connects the state you are buying it in (Illinois) then you can buy the long gun and take it with you. If you are from a state that does not connect you may have to have it shipped to a dealer or transferred to a dealer that connects to your state. As for pistols that is a different story and you have to live in the state you are purchasing it.
The dealer may have to have a Illinois license.
I have bought and sold there also with no issue but I am from a connecting state.
People have all kinds of stories about Illinois but most of them apply to the Chicago area and may not be state laws.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Martinpicker
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Date: Tue, Jul 03, 2012 - 07:29 PM ET
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Take cash!!! You are in a safe area and you never know who or whagt you will encounter at the Grand! Martinpicker

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: BigM-Perazzi
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Date: Tue, Jul 03, 2012 - 07:32 PM ET
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Geez, anyone else get tired of wiping the BS off their shoes?
Buying a gun at the Grand is still legally accomplished... geez..
If you have too, look up Matt, he'll help you out...

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Barry C. Roach
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Date: Tue, Jul 03, 2012 - 07:34 PM ET
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Take three days. Day 1) Look at everything on the grounds.
Day 2) Shoot all of the likely candidates at the practice trap and think hard about it overnight.
Day 3) Take cash to the dealer or individual selling and make your best deal.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: skeet_man
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Date: Tue, Jul 03, 2012 - 08:19 PM ET
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Federal law specifies that only residents of the same state may conduct a private party face to face sale without filling out federal paperwork.
Therefore, the only legal way to buy a gun at the grand NOT from a dealer would be if both buyer and seller are IL residents, and there aren't any IL state laws that would prevent this.
In order to be legal, the seller would need to ship the gun to a FFL in your state, where you would fill out a 4473 like you would if you were buying from a local dealer. There is NO other LEGAL way to conduct a private party sale when the residents reside in different states.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: tbobaa
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 02:09 PM ET
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Ill.residents must have a foid card. firearm owners identification card that is registered with the ill state police and renewed every 10 years to buy ammo or guns.I walk in to the dealer write a check he calls in my foid number state police verify im not a felon i pick up my long gun 24 hours later handgun 48 hours later.buying from a individual in state we exchange foids and keep info with no waiting period

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: tbobaa
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 02:13 PM ET
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no waiting for ammo but we do have to show are foid card is not expired

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Oscar Ray
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 03:01 PM ET
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Skeet Man is correct, Federal Law states that a RESIDENT may only sell FTF to a RESIDENT of the state. ALL others are to be shipped to a licensed dealer in the purchasers state of residence.
Oscar

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Joe Potosky
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 03:53 PM ET
Website Address: http://Federal Firearms License (FFL) Holder Network

Federal Firearms License (FFL) Holder Network
To locate the nearest FFL holders in your state, enter your five-digit zip code and click the Go! button.
http://www.gunbroker.com/ffl/dealernetwork.aspx

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: jbmi
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 04:47 PM ET
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So I'm from MI and am at the Grand, I find another MI person with a gun I want. Then even though we're in IL, we can still buy w/o a problem?

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: skeet_man
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 04:59 PM ET
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Really doubt it. Since the MI resident removed it from MI, and neither of you are IL residents, this would probably constitute an interstate transfer because the transfer itself took place in a different state.
HOWEVER, assuming there are no state laws to prevent it, he can ship it directly to you when you both return home, without going through a FFL. Once you both return home, I would send him the funds, and have him send you the gun, that way both ends of the transfer took place within the borders of your state of residence.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Oscar Ray
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 07:34 PM ET
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JBMI,
No, you could not buy from another MI resident legally, since you are in ILL, Skeet Man has it correct. You could however, buy from a dealer.
Oscar

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: frostyman
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 09:34 PM ET
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We are talking how to do things legal here. It does not matter if you are in Illinois or some other state, the federal laws are the same.
And yes over the years Federal laws change so what may have been legal 30 years ago may not be today. Also what you did at the Grand in Ohio you can probably still do in Illinois but it probably was not legal then and is still not legal.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: Ponytail in WI
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Date: Wed, Jul 04, 2012 - 10:10 PM ET
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Hunter, take your cash and buy a gun from Elmer Fairchild..he will give you a great deal!
Tom C

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: oskerspap12
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Date: Thu, Jul 05, 2012 - 10:56 AM ET
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Just might.........ya never know.

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: straightshooter1
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Date: Thu, Jul 05, 2012 - 12:22 PM ET
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Ponytail, I mean Bummer, still posting while using someone else's name?
So you have how many user names now? Just two? And you don't even have a ponytail, just want others to think the poor guy is Wisconsin who does have one is the jerk who posts all this stuff.
Pretty low!
Bob

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Subject: Buying a gun at the GRAND?
From: wecoach
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Date: Fri, Jul 06, 2012 - 10:10 PM ET
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I bought a new BT-99 for my son last year. Paid cash, filled out the paper work, got the gun and went to the practice field. I am from Missouri. It was the same as buying one at home.

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