I used that load for a few months. It was a good loas but I decided I did not like E3. It clings to the bakelite base on the PW. I actually had to but the machined base to correct it. longshot does the same thing

Sounds like a deal too good to be true. I was wondering if you were actually able to buy any. HMB

hmb : What good on his price? That is what he is selling them for, and I guess it would happen if you walked into his store.

CM

Let me know if he makes good on that price. I'm betting it won't happen. HMB

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HMB : My local supplier just gave me a price of $144.95 plus tax for Remington. Depending on where you are it seems like the prices of gas?

CM

Latest price on Remington primers $216 plus tax. HMB

We should start a new catagory and call it the "school yard" for eight year old flamers.

CM

Nothing like watching a good pissing contest to start the day with.

Another good thread shot down in flames.

CM

Damn!!!!!!!!!!that was fun ;<) Woody

Maybe you got an idea there... -Aaron Schneider

Hey, you guys are missing the boat. This guy said he is setting on a ton of Remington primers. Has anyone priced Remington primers lately? Sell them at the going rate and purchase any primer you want (and possibly even retire from what I've seen of Remington primer prices).

Aaron the one thing you need to learn about Bob is he will continue to argue a thread until he gets the last word. Save your self the frustration and just quit while you ahead. You did right and did nothing wrong.

Bryan

No, It's what you said to the other people, although everyone here has had valid points (except bowhunting11 and Charles Darwin up there), and while it may not be my business, this is a PUBLIC thread remember? You said so yourself, is that correct? -Aaron Schneider

Well Aaron you are the one that brought up the dislike subject For one simple question, the only one I asked of you.

"What part of do not use don't you understand Aaron?????"

Isn't turn about fair play????? Or is it comments I made to others that make you call me a jerk? You are entitled to say what you wish, then again so am I.

Bob Lawless

Because I want to use this as a handicaps load (how would you know how fast it is anyways since it ain't published)... My 16 yard singles load has always been rather sluggish, and I'm pretty sure I mentioned that load is a one ounce load with GREEN DOT. NOT E3! This load I was mulling over in my head was only an IDEA, as the name of the thread suggests. Not once did I ever say I was going to endanger myself, or anyone else around me by loading up a box. In fact, I said I WOULDNT! I only asked, because maybe someone happened to use the load I was looking for, and/or had it published somewhere that I haven't seen. This isn't that difficult to understand, no pot-stirring intended, but my god it was a simple question, and just because the load isn't published, you're going to deliberately dislike the one who asked about it? ASKED. And now you bring another thread into the equation when you have no idea what specific purpose I may or may not use a certain load for? Hell, for all you know It's going to be a hunting load anyways so that, my friend, is stirring the pot. -Aaron Schneider

Lets see Aaron says,

"Yeah I don't like this Bob guy, he sounds like a jerk to me."

Well Aaron also said in a thread about 1250 fps shells.

"I dont, mine run 1045..." So tell us Aaron if that is the case why are you inquiring about a load that is a lot closer to 1300 fps?????

Or are you just stirring the pot

BTW Aaron whether you like me or not is your problem. My problem is I don't particularly care for for people that ask about advice on loads that aren't published. Asked on an open forum from people that are unknown to the poster. It shows a lack of common sense and also a lack of a sense of safety.

Now you can dislike me all you want.

Bob Lawless

Yeah I don't like this Bob guy, he sounds like a jerk to me. Anyways I called Alliant, they said it's fine so everyone can chill out. -Aaron Schneider

"You are showing your colors again."

Well at least I am not showing that safety means nothing. As you are doing it doesn't matter to you whether the rest of the shooter are safe or not. After all as you said,

"It is fun, interesting and a large part of what trapshooting is all about."

Just how could anyone's safety compare to that after all Munchy says so. What street was that Maple or was it ONE WAY.

Bob Lawless

Bobby : You are showing your colors again.

CM

"As long as you are at a comfortable safe level below max pressure, experiment all you want."

So tell us all if the load isn't published any where. I am not talking about a similar load. Just how do you know what the pressure is in that load????

"experiment all you want"

Thats right don't take into consideration that you are not the only one on the firing line. Those other four lives don't mean a thing to you do they munchy real salt of the earth aren't you. Jerk!!!!!

Bob Lawless

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Darn : I thought this was going to be an interesting thread until the flamers threw ice on the subject which did not have anything to do with the OP.

Aaron : As long as you are at a comfortable safe level below max pressure, experiment all you want. It is fun, interesting and a large part of what trapshooting is all about. How else can you find a load that your choke and bore likes. If you want to really make it interesting spend some money on a chronograph, without one you never really know what your load is doing, sort of the last peice of a puzzle. It is a big confidence factor also, knowing exactly how fast your load is going. Published fps are always off, sometimes way off.

CM

Jim,did I not make it clear that I'm not stupid or ignorant? No darwin awards for me. -Aaron Schneider

When shooting high power rifle we always checked our fired shells for signs of high pressure. If the primer was flattened was the first sign of high pressure. Next was if the dent from the firing pin hit had flowed up around the pin leaving a raised surface was another sign of pressure problems. Also having trouble opening the bolt was anothr clue.

What are the warning signs for shotgun shooters? Some that come to mind are loud sounding shells, large flames coming out of the barrel, and last but not least when the gun blows up. HMB

Hell, quit postulating about the darn thing, load up 5 or 10 carefully weighted samples and send them to Kevin Lewis up at Downrange Mfg. He can test them for velocity and pressure and tell you exactly if you have anything special or if you just reinvented sliced bread!

Alliant will undoubtedly just come forth with their stock answer..."It oughta work but you better drop the powder charge by a half grain or so."

Keller

Go ahead nature has it's own way of weeding out the weak and feeble. Maybe you can qualify for a Darwin award, or at least a nomination.

Rock

Jim

I'd better just go ahead and call Alliant... -Aaron Schneider

The loads safe I use.it for 16s with a cci primer. The primer wont makr a HUGE difference

Thank you, I understand. -Aaron Schneider

Aaron,

I didn't say that load wasn't safe. What I said, is experimenting with components not listed as a published load could be dangerous. Basically you never know what the pressure is doing when you change things. It's not likely gonna blow your gun up with one shot. If it happened to be on the high end of the pressure scale it could end up making your gun fail over time and with repeated use of the load. The best method when wanting to know if a component swap is safe is to simply call the powder company and tell them exactly what you would like to do. They will be happy to give you the correct answer. If its not safe, they will tell you and vice versa if it's ok to swap the components. I just believe in playing it safe that's all.

I never said I was going to load them and shoot them, I just have a ton of Remington primers, and its published on Windjammer's website with a cci primer... I understand now that you say that it ain't safe, IT AINT SAFE. That's all I needed to hear. I just paid more money than I have ever had to my name for a new trap gun and that, nor my own life is worth a couple experimental shells. I'm not stupid or ignorant, just trying to see if I could make something out of nothing. Apparently I can't. Thanks for telling me flat out that it isn't safe. All I needed to hear. -Aaron Schneider

Matt ask yourself a question. If a person come to this website and asks reloading questions from those that are here. He has never before in his life seen those that are answering his questions.

He doesn't know any of them why would he take advice from them???? After all just look at the answers he is getting from hmb....LOL. I wonder if they sound rational to him? If so nothing you or I can say will make any difference what so ever.

He asks,

"Will it really be that substantial if I swap the Remington for the WindJammer?"

I can't find it published on the powder manufactures website for either Remington wad, all I am getting is "

"There are no Recipes that match your criteria." What part of do not use don't you understand Aaron?????

Bob Lawless

I bet you could load 17 grains of any powder for shotgun shells behind any wad with any primer and it will go bang safely . As long as we are talking 12ga. 1 oz loads. just saying

Don't waste your time doing anything with Remington primers as they're history. Just forget the Remington primers part, and you're good to go.

Well if you were just gonna load it and shoot it anyway, why ask??

It depends on the phase of the Moon. HMB

Well, the primer fits, does that mean use it? -Aaron Schneider

If the shoe fits, wear it. HMB

Wait! I found the exact recipe I was thinking of trying published on Windjammer's site, but it uses a CCI primer. Will the moon fly out of my living room if I put in a Remington instead? -Aaron Schneider

Thanks HMB but you're a little late, the moon's already in my living room. -Aaron Schneider

It might cause the Moon to leave orbit and crash into the Earth. HMB

This loads published other than the WindJammer wad... Will it really be that substantial if I swap the Remington for the WindJammer? -Aaron Schneider

A safe buzz kill......

You're such a buzz kill Matt.

Bryan

Stick with loads that are published. Experimenting can be a dangerous game. The powder companies have people that test the published loads so you don't have to be a Guinea pig. At least call Alliant and ask their opinion on your load. If it is a published load already, then have at it.

I'm thinking of trying this out: STS hull, Remington Primer, 17 grains Alliant E3 powder, WindJammer WJII-12100 wad, and 1oz of Lawrence #8's... Good? Bad? Ugly? -Aaron Schneider