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hawk57 26-Feb-07 - 09:30 AM ET
hawk57 26-Feb-07 - 09:31 AM ET
MTA Tom 26-Feb-07 - 09:50 AM ET
BDodd 26-Feb-07 - 10:11 AM ET
Hap MecTweaks 26-Feb-07 - 10:33 AM ET
dickgtax 26-Feb-07 - 12:25 PM ET
Hap MecTweaks 26-Feb-07 - 01:23 PM ET
Roger IL 26-Feb-07 - 03:56 PM ET
hazmat 26-Feb-07 - 04:39 PM ET
Kolar Dan 26-Feb-07 - 04:47 PM ET
Colonel Reb 26-Feb-07 - 04:56 PM ET
Hap MecTweaks 26-Feb-07 - 05:28 PM ET
cdconley 26-Feb-07 - 05:43 PM ET
SD duck 26-Feb-07 - 06:11 PM ET
Golden Beebe 26-Feb-07 - 06:20 PM ET
hawk57 26-Feb-07 - 06:25 PM ET
welderman 26-Feb-07 - 06:25 PM ET
HaveGunWillTravel 26-Feb-07 - 06:47 PM ET
Hap MecTweaks 26-Feb-07 - 07:10 PM ET
Big Heap 26-Feb-07 - 07:20 PM ET
Hap MecTweaks 26-Feb-07 - 07:20 PM ET
Brian in Oregon 26-Feb-07 - 07:32 PM ET
Ken X 26-Feb-07 - 07:43 PM ET
HaveGunWillTravel 26-Feb-07 - 08:02 PM ET
Cherokee Kid 26-Feb-07 - 09:59 PM ET
Brian in Oregon 26-Feb-07 - 10:18 PM ET
HaveGunWillTravel 28-Feb-07 - 08:33 PM ET
BT Banker 28-Feb-07 - 08:44 PM ET
HaveGunWillTravel 28-Feb-07 - 08:59 PM ET
Brian in Oregon 28-Feb-07 - 10:11 PM ET


Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: hawk57
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 09:30 AM ET
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Forget about your eye as a rear sight, mid beads, and fiber optic front beads. Just put one of these on your trap gun. Why not? Anyone ever try it?

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: hawk57
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 09:31 AM ET
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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: MTA Tom
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 09:50 AM ET
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Nydar sight, similar idea from the 1940's.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: BDodd
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 10:11 AM ET
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Why not? No reason, I've seen them on guns around the clubs, maybe 5 or 6 over the last couple of years....Bob Dodd

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Hap MecTweaks
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 10:33 AM ET
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Sure it will work! Weekend before last I tried a new Bushnell Holo-Sight on my Beretta 303. I had to raise the comb for good alignment with the centered reticle. The neoprene rubber sock and foam rubber inserts kept moving over on me, bad idea. We shot in blowing snow and no one shot like a house afire. I managed to shoot as well as any one else did with the gun they shoot all the time. Set up properly with a stationary comb, it wouldn't take too long to shoot good scores with it. Also, I broke birds as quick or quicker than those shooting with me too. Hap

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: dickgtax
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 12:25 PM ET
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How do these help you with a moving target, where you're not actually aiming at the target, but a point several feet ahead of the target?

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Hap MecTweaks
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 01:23 PM ET
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Dick, it's similar to using a scoped rifle on a running silhouette target. The image of the reticle on the Holo looks as though it's out there with the target. Some say it's similar to the projected image a fighter pilot sees on his windshield when chasing another plane. What I see appears to be a lighted circle in front of the clay and it does work. I only shot 2 rounds from the 27 with mine and will try again when I can keep the comb in a more stable position. Hap

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Roger IL
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 03:56 PM ET
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I shot next to a lady at the Grand last summer who was useing one.....Roger

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: hazmat
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 04:39 PM ET
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Sounds interesting, or at least it presents a new gimmick that might make up for my inabilaty to shoot straight... has any one trid mounting on an O/U or bt-99?

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Kolar Dan
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 04:47 PM ET
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I knew a man years ago at Spokane Gun Club who used a low power scope on a model 12. He did quite well with it. Sonny Daniels

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Colonel Reb
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 04:56 PM ET
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This is what I need on my gun. As long as you kept the bird in the circle and followed through, it looks like you'd be certain to break the bird every time.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Hap MecTweaks
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 05:28 PM ET
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Colonel Reb, if you do that, your shot cloud will sail harmlessly off into the field behind the bird. Now, make that bird push the lit circle and your in business. Think of the lit up circle as your potential shot cloud when it arrives there?

I mounted mine on my Beretta 303 just to try it out to see for myself if it would work. It uses a Weaver style mount so it requires a Weaver style base on which to attach. Most people wouldn't want a permanent base attached to their trap gun, that's why I used my 303 and mounted mine to the rib. I used a Weaver base on the rib, screws and cross bars under the rib hold it pretty tight against the rib. I didn't notice any movement of the base or sight. I'll try getting a picture posted of it here later. Hap

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: cdconley
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 05:43 PM ET
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What for?

The biggest problem that I have is looking at the darn sight anyway. I've often thought of removing my sight altogether.

IF…….

The gun fits. Your head stays on the gun. You’re looking at the target. You pull the trigger. The target will break, no need for a scope to disrupt the simplicity of breaking a target.

If you ask me, and you haven’t, I’d say it’s just another gimmick.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: SD duck
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 06:11 PM ET
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cdconley,

I couldn't dissagree more. I have to shoot left handed and am right eye dominate. the only way I can shoot with both eyes open is with some sort of red dot sight. Not only do I shoot the best trap that I've ever shot with it, it's great for awkward duck shooting. (you don't have to center the dot, just put it where the pattern is supposed to go)

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Golden Beebe
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 06:20 PM ET
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Hap...

Do you see what you have done....

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: hawk57
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 06:25 PM ET
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Seems to me that you can use it just like your normal front bead. Just focus on the bird and make sure the circle from the sight is out of focus but in front of the bird. Whats nice about these sights is that it doesn't matter if you move your head the circle follows and the aim point doesn't change, thus the gun mount is no longer as critical. If you watch any TV reports on Iraq, almost every soldier has one on their AR, they are designed for quick aiming on stationary or moving targets and even if you are moving at the same time.

TruGlo makes a 3/8's to Weaver rib mount if your interested for about $25.00 The scopes start at $40.00. so you can try it out for around $65.00

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: welderman
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 06:25 PM ET
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If it's not useful to a lot of shooters then it won't become popular and will be used by a few to correct individual problems. If it works really well for most shooters, then the ones who don't have it will get it banned for use in competition. That was my experience when I figured I could shoot pins better using a red dot sight on a 629. As soon as I started winning money, they outlawed optical sights and I couldn't readjust to my old iron sight. Tom S. (welderman)

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: HaveGunWillTravel
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 06:47 PM ET
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Never tried it, probably will sometime if a friend buys one and mounts it on his gun and lets me try it. Many reasons for my thoughts. One is the fact that I am holding a 96 average in singles which would probably improve if I were more careful about where and under what conditions I was shooting in. I can run 25 easily enough, but maintaining the concentration and discipline to hit lots of 99+ scores is something I have trouble with. Doubles - my average is at 91, and my problems are not from shooting 45, 45. It is from shooting 49, 42. In handicap, I still feel there is a star alignment thing that must happen. So I don't see how the gizmo is going to help me.

Now even if I believed it would help, I would not put holes in one of my guns to mount it.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Hap MecTweaks
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 07:10 PM ET
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In this photo, I have moved the Holo-Sight as far forward as the Weaver base allows. It was all the way to the rear when I shot the two rounds with it.

Reb, above I was referring to an extreme angle when I made my statement about shooting behind a bird, the straights, yes you can see the bird inside the lit circle.

This like anything else, "it ain't for everybody" and I certainly wouldn't drill and tap my P gun to try something such as this either. I tell you this though, there's no doubt in your mind exactly what kind of brain fart you just had using this thingie when the gun goes off!! The feedback is quick and leaves no doubt where you went wrong. Some like redheads, some, who knows or cares? I'm not thru experimenting yet while having fun. Hap

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Big Heap
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 07:20 PM ET
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Had a Tasco (sp) mounted on a Ljutic for several years after talking to a Winchester rep from Chicago who swore by his. It worked fine and was mounted with a clamp mount so required no drilled holes in the rib. I shot it OK but my average didn't improve - and it was awkward to carry the gun since I had to take the sight off to put the gun in a case.

A friend bought the sight, mounted it on an air pistol and nails squirrels with it.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Hap MecTweaks
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 07:20 PM ET
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This is a pic of raising the comb on the cheap. Don't work worth a piddle, keeps moving around. Hap

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Brian in Oregon
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 07:32 PM ET
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Amazing how many trapshooters pooh pooh the idea without having ever tried it.

I can tell you these things work exceedingly well for tactical shotgunning.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Ken X
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 07:43 PM ET
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I have seen a few people give it a good try over the years. NONE of them continue to use it! I agree, if it was worth anything some of the pros would be using it.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: HaveGunWillTravel
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 08:02 PM ET
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Brian - you said tactical shotgunning. Sorry buddy but our targets move (and pretty fast too), they are smaller, and we are much further away. You can drill holes in some POS Mossberg pump, but you have to think twice before doing that to a high end trapgun. I don't think you can compare the two disciplines.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Cherokee Kid
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 09:59 PM ET
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Everyone I shoot against should get one of these, please.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Brian in Oregon
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Date: Mon, Feb 26, 2007 - 10:18 PM ET
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Who said anything about drilling an overpriced K or P gun? These mount right onto gas autos.

And you apparently have no clue about speed and target acquisition for bowling pin shoots. It's amazing how many trapshooters get smoked at it. As for aerial targets, Joe Kuhn is doing pretty good with his setup.

It's obvious these aren't for everyone, but someone might find them useful. Just like Uni-Dot sights are not for everyone, but I can't hit aerial targets with both eyes open without one.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: HaveGunWillTravel
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Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 - 08:33 PM ET
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Brian - I do know something about shooting at bowling pins. Don't do it anymore, but back in the day, I got my master blaster rating in 1991.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: BT Banker
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Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 - 08:44 PM ET
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I am very left eye dominate and can not shoot left handed to save my neck so something like this might help. My question is, "Is it legal to use an optic like this in registered shoots"? john

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: HaveGunWillTravel
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Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 - 08:59 PM ET
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BT Banker there is no ATA restriction on whatever you want or need to put on your gun. They really want you to hit lots of targets.

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Subject: Why can't I use 1 of these on my trap gun?
From: Brian in Oregon
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Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2007 - 10:11 PM ET
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BT Banker, before buying an expensive optical sight, have you tried a Uni-Dot?

I couldn't hit the ocean from a rowboat for aerial targets with both eyes open. Had to close one eye, and hit a hump I could not get over. Could not judge distance either.

I installed a Uni-Dot. My scores dropped for two months while I got used to it. Then, my scores shot up, and I ran my first 25 and 50 straight.

The key to using a Uni-Dot is to focus on the clay, and with peripheral vision, bring the dot to the target. The biggest mistake made with this sight is to focus on the sight, not the target. It takes some disipline and practice to not do that.

The P210 adhesive is probably the best for most applications.

The website is screwed up a bit, but you can link to the application page. Lyman now owns Uni-Dot, and you can order them directly from Lyman. Someone on this site sold them at one time as well, but I've forgotten who.

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