I like my Krieghoff. Did not have a Kolar long enough to form an opinion. It felt like a floor joist. Popped open when top barrel was fired, when new. Kolar (John Ramagli) said it was my fault. I guess it was, for buying the damned thing!

Dropped it like a bad habit. Once you shoot a Krieghoff, anything else is second best! Like the service and those doing the service. No John Ramagli to deal with when he has a bad day. (most days)

I shot K80 for about 5 years and liked it alot:shot AA and back to 25 yards w/ it. I never had a problem.I traded for a Kolar because I liked the wood, the way it was constructed and I was from Wisconsin and thought it would be neat to shoot a quality US gun.

I thought the Kolar was very well constructed w/ good triggers,VERY poor blueing,Kolar is OK w/ customer service but not outstanding(always felt rushed when i called them and they didn't have a good inhouse tracking system).I still love their wood and checkering.

I traded the Kolar for a new K80 because I just didn't like the way the Kolar gun pointed even though I shot good scores w/ it. It seems like it is a better gun for a larger framed shooter(I'm 6' and 195). It just seemed big to me in the receiver area and the barrels seemed long(30"seemed like 32"): just the way it pointed made it seem slow.

What I like about my new K80 is that it points faster,better triggers,better overall finishing,chokes and I know this shouldn't matter but they hold their value. I was also shocked to see how much Kolar's depreciate compared to Krieghoff's

This is just one guy's opinion and nothing more!

I shot my Kolar Combo for 3years. Broke 1 100x100.with it. I bought a new trap special 6 months ago and have shot 5 100s and 1 200x200. with it. Yes I had both guns fitted to me. Allen

As a post script, I am old, but I am an old gym rat and am in good shape and very strong for my age. The Kolar was very ponderous and never felt right although the gunfit was technically correct. My Krieghoffs have adjustable combs and buttplates and took all of five minutes apiece to fit! I have shot lifetime bests with both guns.

There is no way I would shoot even a FREE kolar. If I ever got away from Krieghoffs, I would go to the Browning XT 30" for Trap, and the XS 30" Sporter for all other games. There would not be a second's hesitation on this choice.

About three months ago I traded in a Kolar combo for the K80 Trap Special with the American trap special stock -- twisted sister style. I could not be happier. To be fair the Kolar was not my regular gun, I was using an MX-8 top single, but only because the Kolar just never felt right. I could never get the hang of the balance and he triggers whether using pull or release never felt quite right. I did have a quick fit done at the factory, so I don't think that was off by too much. My scores were all over the place using the Kolar.

I bought the Krieghoff from Chris Maest who did a great job fitting it. I love the very high rib, better view of the birds coming up from under the barrel, the balance is perfect for me, and the release trigger is the best that I have ever used. Scores are better too. Both are solid, well built guns, no short cuts taken with either, but to me the difference is in the shooting and in that area -- no contest.

J. Bergman

I had the chance to shoot a Kolar and I... also having owned a K-80 RT for comparison ..felt there was no comparison...the Kreighoff fits me like nothing else and its instant smoke once the POI is set

Shot Krieghoffs for years. Lots of problems with fan-firing. Bought a K-80 Trap Special when they first came out and hated it. That's when I learned that a super high rib is just a marketing gimmick. Sold the K-80 TS and bought a Kolar combo with top single barrel; shoot it better than the TS. no difference in felt recoil; the Kolar's .750 bore helps. The Kolar is simpler and trouble-free. Especially like the triggers that I can change myself from pull to release and back again. The Kolar is a great American-made trap gun!

I bought a K-80 combo in 01' and shot it well, but got the Kolar bug after shooting a friends gun. Bought one in 2004. Unsingle combo. Loved the lack of recoil, but it just didn't have the "feel". I always thought it was barrel light. Shot quite a few 200's on singles , but could never get to my K-80 average on doubles and handicap 27yd. Sold it, and went back to the K-80. Doubles and handicap scores went back up. Both guns were fitted by pros.

But...Kolar has made some design changes. The new guns are balanced better. Don't know what they did (change frame weight?). I'd have to shoot a new one before changing.

John Q, for ME, no question, the k-80 has better balance the fit and finish is better, and handles much more easily than my Kolar did, broke good scores with both at the 16, , but much better 27 yd. handicap and doubles with the Kreighoff! try before you buy! incinerate em!