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Brian in Oregon 15-Oct-11 - 01:56 AM ET
Reinz 15-Oct-11 - 02:08 AM ET
Beretta687EELL 15-Oct-11 - 09:31 AM ET
warren 15-Oct-11 - 09:56 AM ET
Brian in Oregon 15-Oct-11 - 03:40 PM ET
wireguy 15-Oct-11 - 04:34 PM ET
gotbass 15-Oct-11 - 10:20 PM ET
GW22 15-Oct-11 - 10:31 PM ET
daddiooo 15-Oct-11 - 11:20 PM ET
Bill Hom 16-Oct-11 - 12:58 AM ET
cafowler 16-Oct-11 - 02:07 AM ET
sky buster 16-Oct-11 - 10:27 AM ET
Brian in Oregon 16-Oct-11 - 03:11 PM ET
Bucko43 17-Oct-11 - 10:02 AM ET
391 shooter 17-Oct-11 - 11:54 AM ET
daddiooo 17-Oct-11 - 03:13 PM ET
billyboy07208 17-Oct-11 - 09:32 PM ET
Oscar Ray 17-Oct-11 - 10:37 PM ET
Brian in Oregon 18-Oct-11 - 03:47 AM ET
JACK 18-Oct-11 - 10:59 AM ET
warpspeed 20-Oct-11 - 01:37 AM ET
Don Steele 20-Oct-11 - 05:06 AM ET
kgp912kgp 21-Oct-11 - 02:13 AM ET


Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 01:56 AM ET
Website Address: http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=7129

I want to thank the "let's appease the anti's with handguns and semi-autos so they'll leave our deer, duck and skeet guns alone" weak sisters for taking this one for the team. You earned it.

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California: Governor Jerry Brown Signs Three Anti-Gun Bills into Law Tuesday, October 11, 2011

On Sunday, California gun owners and sportsmen were dealt another blow when Governor Jerry Brown signed into law three anti-gun bills (AB 809, SB 819 and AB 144) and vetoed a fourth (SB 427) only because there is a pending lawsuit, according to his veto message on the bill. The Governor did sign one pro-gun bill (SB 610) into law.

Below is a description of each of the bills Governor Brown signed into law. AB 144, SB 819 and SB 610 will take effect on January 1, 2012. AB 809 will take effect on January 1, 2014.

Assembly Bill 809 will require the registration of any newly purchased long guns. Not only does AB 809 violate Second Amendment rights by expanding California’s gun registry to include rifles and shotguns, it is also a huge waste of taxpayer money at a time when California is drowning in debt. Gun control advocates estimate the cost of this registration at $400,000, a number that is almost certainly far less than it will actually cost to implement and enforce this registry if enacted. The only value of registration is to help governments confiscate firearms in the future. To view Governor Brown’s signing message, click here.

Senate Bill 819 allows the Department of Justice to use the Dealer Record of Sales (DROS) funds to help pay for enforcement of California firearm possession laws in the Armed & Prohibited Persons Systems program. The DROS fund monies were originally collected from every firearm purchaser to pay for the administrative process for background checks. This new law will divert hundreds of thousands of dollars of DROS fee monies that YOU have paid for background checks. As a result, the DROS fund will run out of money and when it does, they will want another increase in the fees YOU PAY for FIREARM background checks in California.

Assembly Bill 144 bans the open carrying of an unloaded handgun. In reality, the open carrying of firearms by law-abiding citizens is caused by California’s unfair concealed carry laws, which allow citizens from one county to apply for and receive a permit while neighbors in the next county are denied that basic right in an arbitrary manner.

Senate Bill 427 was vetoed by the Governor. Unfortunately, the only reason he vetoed this bill was because of the pending lawsuit against its predecessor, AB 962. Not once did the Governor mention how this bill will negatively affect California gun owners, sportsmen or retailers.

This bill would have granted authority to law enforcement to collect sales records from ammunition retailers, required ammunition vendors to notify local law enforcement of their intention to engage in the business of selling ammunition AND includes a list of calibers which would have to be registered to purchasers at the point-of-purchase. This list contains ammunition popular among hunters and collectors. This point-of-sale registration of all ammunition purchases in the state would be available for inspection by the California Department of Justice at any time. To view Governor Brown’s veto message click here.

As noted above, Governor Brown did sign one pro-gun bill (SB 610) into law.

Senate Bill 610 standardizes the application process for a permit to carry a concealed handgun and removes the requirement that a CCW applicant obtain liability insurance as a condition of obtaining a CCW permit.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Reinz
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 02:08 AM ET
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Such a shame to happen to such a great state. There's just enough bad apples there to mess it up.

Hopefully NRA or one of the other groups will take them to court and challenge those laws.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Beretta687EELL
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 09:31 AM ET
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Up here in Canada, a former Liberal government passed a law requiring all firearms to be registered. They told the Canadian people that the net cost would be $1 million. The costs to date are approaching $3 billion. We recently elected a majority Conservative government that has promised to and will scrap the registry in the coming months. Bill Malcolm

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: warren
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 09:56 AM ET
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I was born and raised in Calif. it's a beautifull state absolutly ruined by politics. I took my girlfriend to the Calif. DMV the other day to get a picture ID since she has gone blind she cannot drive anymore. She waited over 2 hours with another 2 to go and they finally put her in front of the line because she was blind and only wanted an ID. Then they said it would take four to six weeks to get the ID in the mail. They had two clerks there and when we came in she was number 52 and they were on number 29. That's the way the whole state is run.

warren

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 03:40 PM ET
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Contrast that to our DMV. Yeah, it can get quite busy, but they make every effort to keep the lines moving. I'm pretty critical of government and government agencies, but the Oregon DMV has their act together. Oh, and ID is issued on the spot.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: wireguy
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 04:34 PM ET
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California is like a petree dish experiment to show the results of leftist ideology. You take the most incredible piece of real estate in America, verdant valleys, hundreds of miles of coastline, wonderful harbors, timbered mountains, desert wonderlands, awesome inland water recreational areas, navigable rivers, huge volumes of fresh water, the absolute best weather, combine with socialism, and you have instant garbage with high unemployment and massive loss of employers.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: gotbass
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 10:20 PM ET
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Wireguy - Well you hit the nail on the head. I live in Redding (northern cal by shasta lake) and if it were just in Oregon it would be great. Retired and planned to move out of state, but trapped by the housing market. Like Redding, hate Cal.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: GW22
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 10:31 PM ET
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Hell, who knew guns were still legal in California?

-Gary

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: daddiooo
Date: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber.......here comes the Caltard politicians with yet another inbred gun control law.

Can't wait until that place falls off in the ocean and takes Pelosi, Brown, Boxer and Maxine Waters with it.

If we get lucky maybe Bawney Fwank will be visting out there when it happens.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Bill Hom
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 - 12:58 AM ET
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daddiooo, we can only hope. Bill

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: cafowler
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 - 02:07 AM ET
Website Address: http://www.calccw.com/

I'm amazed Gov Moonbeam got elected again. The libs own state level politics. Meg Whitman (R) spent the most ever on a Gov'r campaign and campaigned hard for over a year. Moony started running ads 3 months before the election and spent like $100k, and walked away with it, Just incredible.

The Open Carry law crasks me up. There was a group of lady gun advocates who would meet every Sat morning at a Starbucks in Milpitas or so, middle of Silicon Valley libtard land. This was 4-10 lady's aged mid 20's to 40's having their coffee with an empty gun on their hip. I like their style, just run it up the middle of the libs. Anyway news got a hold of it and turned it into a big deal. Starbucks to their credit allowed the lady's to continue their simple public protest in favor of gun rights, said something like they are within their rights as law abiding citizens to do what they're doing, and we won't ask them to go away, while every other PC liberal said "oh my gawd, how could this terrible thing be happening!!!! Ahhhhh!! damn you Starbucks and crazy lady's". So this is just a political move in response to some leftwing media coverage of a small group of women I think, so it kind of cracks me up.

There's still plenty of Sheriff's dept's issuing CCW's. I'd say given the state of our state, there's 10 times the number of CCW today than a few years ago. It would be interesting to see how the number of permit holders has increased over the last 20 years.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: sky buster
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 - 10:27 AM ET
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I used to live in California. (Granada Hills) But could'nt stand the liberal politics, traffic and high crime rate. I moved to Minnesota and still have a degree of liberal politics but nothing like the "land of fruit and nuts."

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 - 03:11 PM ET
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Oregon politics are getting worse because of the liberal Californian moving up here. They crapped up their state, then they come here and being the clueless liberals they are, vote for the same kind of horsecrap.

Our jobs have left too. But mostly because the liberals found out that protecting the Spotted Owl was a convenient way to shut down logging. Plus supporting free trade to send what logs were left to China.

So far we've been able to hold off the anti-gun forces, at least everything until turncoat McCain showed up to help the anti's. (And he wonders why he lost votes in Oregon. Go figure.)

Right now the anti's are in a tizzy about students being armed on university campuses. They're whipping this up so that it can become a vehicle for other anti-gun crap. Just like liberals don't understand what "illegal" means in "illegal alien", they also don't understand what "law-abiding" means in "Law-abiding gun owner".

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Bucko43
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 - 10:02 AM ET
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Brian,

Your thread is misleading. The bill does not state that ALL long guns must be registered. The bill states that ALL NEWLY PURCHASED long guns must be registered. I just won't buy any more...and they'll never get their hands on the ones I've got.

I expect a big war to be staged by the NRA over this one.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: 391 shooter
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 - 11:54 AM ET
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Bucko43,

When the new law is in force and the new guns are registered, it is just a matter of time before Cal. makes it a felony to possess a long gun that is not registered.

These anti's are going one nail at a time.

I lived in Cal. for 6 years, great people, (the ones I dealt with), beautiful weather, all the state attributes regarding outdoor activity were excellent.

The taxes, regs, system abuse, border abuse, give away programs, the shear volume of government departmentmental depth allowing for mutiple redundent agencies was unbelievable. The total lack of Governmental support for private buisness progression was sickening.

For god's sake there are over 35 Air Quality Control Districts in Californai and they all have different rules. It is insane.

I have since moved back to Florida.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: daddiooo
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 - 03:13 PM ET
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84% of company CEO's have instituted a business expansion freeze in Kalifornia due to the mega-restrictive regulations by CARB and all their little special interest whiners.

Recently some attorneys in Kalifornia are writing letters to companies threatening to sue but will drop the idea of a suit for a nominal fee. (usually $4000 ish)With the recent gun laws signed in by Brown it may just be time to give it all back to the "Brown Shirts" in San Diego and everyone else move out.

Probably won't take but a couple of weeks for the whole state to become a spray painted, gang infested shithole.

What a shame...paradise lost.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: billyboy07208
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 - 09:32 PM ET
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looks like another "last chance buy" is going to happen

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Oscar Ray
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 - 10:37 PM ET
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I do not even visit CA anymore since my son is no longer stationed in San Diego. I would NEVER live there, you could not pay me enough to live amongst all those Liberal Assholes and the anti-gun environment.

Oscar Ray

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 - 03:47 AM ET
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Buck, I corrected the thread title. I was trying to cram ALL NEW long arms into it, but ran into the length limit and overlooked that it did not accurately reflect the bill.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: JACK
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 - 10:59 AM ET
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Shortly there will be a cop checking your registration as you enter your trap club.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: warpspeed
Date: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 - 01:37 AM ET
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Yeah, it sucked. We defeated it once before but they got it through this time and he signed it.

As far as registration goes, we have had it for handguns since 1980 IIRC. It has helped a bit, especially if your handgun gets stolen and they find it. It makes it very easy to return. I know several people this has happened to.

BTW, it is not against the law to have an unregistered handgun.

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: Don Steele
Date: Thu, Oct 20, 2011 - 05:06 AM ET
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"When the new law is in force and the new guns are registered, it is just a matter of time before Cal. makes it a felony to possess a long gun that is not registered."

Ding..Ding..Ding...We have a WINNER....!!!!

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Subject: Californians must register NEW long arms by 2014.
From: kgp912kgp
Date: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 - 02:13 AM ET
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NRA I will provide room and board and food and transportation you may require while fighting this in my state of CA. As all Californians/AMERICANS who want to keep their rights in the future should agree. We will support you all the way to the nations capitol on this issue and other similar issues.

This message has been sent to the NRA website and is an HONEST offer to any lawyer or repesintave from the NRA or any other org. dedicated to fighting these laws and other ridiculous laws from taking effect in this country.

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