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kirbythegunsmith 10-Jun-11 - 12:32 PM ET
vpr80 10-Jun-11 - 12:37 PM ET
Chichay 10-Jun-11 - 12:53 PM ET
ML 10-Jun-11 - 01:31 PM ET
boomer 10-Jun-11 - 03:22 PM ET
Mike Battista 10-Jun-11 - 04:15 PM ET
stillmisses 11-Jun-11 - 06:20 PM ET
kirbythegunsmith 11-Jun-11 - 10:23 PM ET
kirbythegunsmith 12-Jun-11 - 11:14 PM ET
stillmisses 15-Jun-11 - 04:53 PM ET
Alamo 15-Jun-11 - 10:14 PM ET
Alamo 15-Jun-11 - 10:16 PM ET
Alamo 15-Jun-11 - 10:17 PM ET
Alamo 15-Jun-11 - 10:19 PM ET
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stillmisses 16-Jun-11 - 05:10 PM ET
Brian in Oregon 16-Jun-11 - 11:20 PM ET
kirbythegunsmith 17-Jun-11 - 01:13 AM ET
Brian in Oregon 17-Jun-11 - 03:44 AM ET
stillmisses 17-Jun-11 - 01:40 PM ET
jbifulco 17-Jun-11 - 04:53 PM ET


Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: kirbythegunsmith
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 12:32 PM ET
Website Address: http://theshotgunshop.net

I had a long-time customer turned friend that passed away, and the Widow wants to dispose of rifles that he collected over the years. She doesn't need to make it a fire sale, so these are not going to be wholesaled out.

We expect to sell for less than prevailing auction price (per condition) and include the shipping along with a discount incentive due to not having to run them through an auction.

There are a number of odd single shots of antique and obsolete types that are to be categorized soon.

Email or call the number on the website to discuss.

Thanks.

Kirby

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The main types for now are Browning 1885 and a few B-78 single shots, ranging from a .22 Hornet to 45-70, and the rare .260 is in there along with a .357 and .45 Colt pistol caliber example that has the matching box. A few other long guns are listed below, such as a Krag and some Browning A-5's and spare barrels including a 16 ga. INVECTOR barrel.

Partial list: Browning B-78 or 1885- .22 Hornet, 22-250, .243, 6mm, 25/06, .260, .270, 7mm mag., 30/06, .357, 38/55, .45 Colt, 45/70 Many of these have dies to fit, some have shell components or boxes of ammo, like the 45/70 having 6 boxes of factory shells, hundreds of commercial cast and jacketed bullets, dies, and spare brass. There was over 70 sets of dies in his reloading area.

One 1885 has been rebarreled heavy octagon to .33 WCF (basically a necked down 45/70 and predecessor to .338 Mag.) and includes some brass, dies, etc

Springfield KRAG 1898 30-40 bolt carbine, looks very clean, possibly unissued

Ruger #1, .223 .....Uberti 1885, 38/40 ....

Remington Rolling Block Italian Reproduction (Pedersoli) w/octagon barrel in 50/90 (re-chambered from 50/70, both sets of dies, plenty of brass and over 20 lb. of comm. cast (350 new bullets)

Some Browning A-5 barrels and a couple of A-5 shotguns are listed, see pictures here:

http://shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=215830

1. 20 ga. 26” cut to 25” w/new Invector choke hole in straighter than factory, (pictured w/steel tube installed in hole to 27") long forcing cone, clean in and out with little use. Test-fired dead-on point of impact on the 20 ga. gun sold below.

2. 20 ga. MAGNUM Japanese 28" Full Vent Rib, pretty clean w/ shiny bore and chamber

3. 16 ga. Belgium matted 28” full, reblued, couple handling marks and small blemish pits at muzzle

4. 16 ga. INVECTOR 26" vent rib, has little use (not even developed forend rubbing marks) with a few faint external marks, some minor bore/chamber imperfections but otherwise has a great shine inside and out

5. 12 ga. std. Japanese Buck Special, looks testfired only, as new otherwise, $325 shipped

6. 12 ga. 30” full VR Japanese, little use, 1-1/2” forcing cone, shiny bore

7. 12 ga. Solid Rib Belgium CUTTS, ~28" with MOD tube installed

8. SOLD. 12 ga. Belgium plain 28" MOD, been polished

9. 12 ga. Mag. Invector cut to 25.5” w/new straight hole, long forcing cone, has steel-shot choke in picture to 28” overall length, clean inside, few scratches outside, little use

10. 12 ga. Mag. Invector 30”, long forcing cone, steel-shot choke shown in picture to over 32” overall length, shiny bore, little use with minor external scratches

Magnum 12 Belgium 30” FVR, solid wood has marks, minor surface spots, scratches on blue of this classic waterfowl gun, 2 piece carrier, bore still mostly shiny, tiny 3/8” repaired wood crack at rear of top tang, pad at 14”

Browning A-5 pre-war 16 ga. Belgium, satin wood and metal finish. Wood is solid with a few patches of visible dents, metal is fairly clean with sharp engraving. 27-1/2" vented Polychoke plain barrel.

American Browning 12 ga. 28" plain MOD, been re-finished, has a couple minor cracks at the rear underside of the forend.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: vpr80
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 12:37 PM ET
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Email sent on the 45/70

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Chichay
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 12:53 PM ET
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Email sent on the .260 Remington.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: ML
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 01:31 PM ET
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Kirby, I am interested in the Krag. Email sent.

Regards M. L.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: boomer
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 03:22 PM ET
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Email sent on A-5 16 ga.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Mike Battista
Date: Fri, Jun 10, 2011 - 04:15 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.silverdollarfirearms.com

Kirby, I am interested in the Remington Rolling Block in .50-90. Mike Battista 727 410 5212

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: stillmisses
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 - 06:20 PM ET
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Kirby, interested in the rebarreled 33 WCF. Please email pics and price when you can. Thanks, Mike T

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: kirbythegunsmith
Date: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 - 10:23 PM ET
Website Address: http://theshotgunshop.net

I am making a list of pictures to take for those who posted and emailed, and have sent pics of a few that were previously photographed.

Many thanks for the consideration; the information will be modified as necessary and have additions of the multiple other examples that need to be verified and listed.

Thank you all for reading.

Kirby

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: kirbythegunsmith
Date: Sun, Jun 12, 2011 - 11:14 PM ET
Website Address: http://theshotgunshop.net

I have some pictures of the rare .260 caliber 1885, plus photos of the 45/70 1885, the .270 1885, the .243 1885, the 6mm B-78, the 30/06 B-78, the converted 1885 45/70 re-barreled to .33 WCF (based on the 45/70 case, an early .338 magnum- almost), the Ruger #1 .223, and the KRAG carbine to email, so far.

I expect to get more photos taken soon, but if you have something you wish to see, that can be specifically pictured before something else by request.

Thanks for looking.

Kirby

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: stillmisses
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 04:53 PM ET
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ttt for a good cause

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Alamo
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 10:14 PM ET
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Please email pictures of the .357 and .45 with prices. Thank you.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Alamo
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 10:16 PM ET
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Please email pictures of the .357 and .45 with prices. Thank you.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Alamo
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 10:17 PM ET
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Please email pictures of the .357 and .45 with prices. Thank you.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Alamo
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 10:19 PM ET
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Please email pictures of the .357 and .45 with prices. Thank you.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Alamo
Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 - 10:19 PM ET
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Please email pictures of the .357 and .45 with prices. Thank you.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: stillmisses
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 - 05:10 PM ET
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ttt what a stutter!

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET
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Is the 243 1885 a High Wall or Low Wall?

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: kirbythegunsmith
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 - 01:13 AM ET
Website Address: http://theshotgunshop.net

Tell me what you think of these.

There is the B-78 in 6mm with the cheekpiece, the Ruger No. 1 in .223, and the middle is the .243 1885 (looks like a low-wall, don't it?), but that is some decent figure in the wood, huh?

Kirby

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 - 03:44 AM ET
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Yes, that's a Browning Low Wall. It actually differs from the original Winchester Low Wall. If you were to compare the two, the area of change is in how much support there is for the breechblock.

On the original Low Wall, the rear receiver wall is cut down below the center axis of the bore. This makes the original Low Wall suitable only for relatively low pressure cartridges. For example, the 2R Lovell wildcat, an early high velocity .22 centerfire based on the necked down and blow out 25-20 Single Shot case) was too powerful for the Low Wall, but was easily contained by the High Wall.

Browning got around this by raising the height of the rear supporting wall. There's enough support that the Browning Low Wall can handle cartridges like the 243.

As far as I know, no Browning 1885 High Walls were made in 243, but it never hurts to ask. The only 243 High Walls that were definitely made were on the B78 action, apparently all with round barrels. This chambering is the rarest of all the B78s. Far more B78s in 6mm Rem were made.

As far as the wood, Browning often put really nice wood on the B78 and the 1885. I have two consecutively serial numbered Browninng 1885 High Walls in .223 Rem that have beautiful marble cake stocks, and it appears they were cut from the same piece of wood. Knots are often considered undesirable in a stock, but my Browning 1885 High Wall in 22-250 has a lot of small knots in the stock, giving it a unique look.

BTW, Browning discontinued the 1885 High Wall in 223 Rem, and replaced it with the Low Wall.

One difference between the Browning High Wall and Low Wall is that for most cartridges the High Wall has an ejector (though some of the ones designed for blackpowder target use have extractors to comply with NRA BPCRS rules), while all the Low Walls used an extractor.

Aside from the 243 High Wall which is apparently made from Unobtanium, the one 1885 High Wall that would make me sit up and beg was the 30-06. Missed my chance to pick one up.

Oh, and the 33 WCF was the predecessor of the 348 Winchester. The 33 WCF was an attempt to revive the 1886 lever action by necking down the 45-70 to 33 to give a flatter trajectory. From a power standpoint, the 30-30 pushes a 170 grainer to a bit over 2200 fps. A 33 WCF factory load would achieve the same velocity with a 200 grainer (a max load is closer to 2400 fps). The replacement 348 Winchester pushes a 200 grainer to over 2500 fps. It would be fair to say the 33 WCF is halfway between the 30-30 and 348 Winchester. (While the 33 WCF is based on the 45-70 necked down, the 348 was based on the .50-110 case necked down, giving a lot more "boiler room".) 33 WCF ammo was discontinued in 1940. Aside from the 1886 lever action, Winchester also chambered the 1885 Single Shot High Wall in 33 WCF, and Marlin chambered their original 1895 lever action for it as well.

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: stillmisses
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 - 01:40 PM ET
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ttt

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Subject: Browning 1885 single shots, rare calibers to sell
From: jbifulco
Date: Fri, Jun 17, 2011 - 04:53 PM ET
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Kirby,

I am interested in the 16 guage vent rib barrel. e mail sent. Thanks.

Joe

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