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MTA Tom 19-May-09 - 08:12 AM ET
dverna 19-May-09 - 08:19 AM ET
zzt 19-May-09 - 08:25 AM ET
Pat Ireland 19-May-09 - 08:28 AM ET
Hauxfan 19-May-09 - 08:57 AM ET
Clay KillR 19-May-09 - 09:27 AM ET
colonel klink 19-May-09 - 12:05 PM ET
fssberson 19-May-09 - 02:00 PM ET
Quack Shot 19-May-09 - 04:09 PM ET
Spanky 19-May-09 - 05:03 PM ET
Pat Ireland 20-May-09 - 06:43 AM ET
MTA Tom 20-May-09 - 06:51 AM ET
dverna 20-May-09 - 08:55 AM ET
Jerry944t 20-May-09 - 12:56 PM ET
fssberson 20-May-09 - 03:00 PM ET
MTA Tom 20-May-09 - 04:47 PM ET
timb99 20-May-09 - 05:04 PM ET
BigM-Perazzi 20-May-09 - 07:32 PM ET
bigbore613 20-May-09 - 08:18 PM ET
berettagold53954 20-May-09 - 08:53 PM ET
dverna 20-May-09 - 09:36 PM ET
oleolliedawg 20-May-09 - 09:41 PM ET
Quack Shot 21-May-09 - 05:05 PM ET


Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: MTA Tom
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 08:12 AM ET
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I've reloaded AA hulls with Winchester primers and wads, and Hodgdon Clays powder for a long time. I knew Winchester 209 primers were currently unavailable, but Remington 209's will substitute in my loads according to the Hodgdon web site. I've now been told that Clays, and any other powder that can be used in handgun loads, is also unavailable.

What clean burning powder would you recommend? Any thought on primers?

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: dverna
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 08:19 AM ET
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You could try Clay Dot from Alliant.

I use Promo it is inexpensive but it is not "clean". I wipe down the breach block after every day of shooting and the barrels get cleaned every 2-3000 rounds.

Don Verna

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: zzt
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 08:25 AM ET
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I'll second Clay Dot. It's about as close as you are going to get. You could also consider e3. That's my fav for fast powders.

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Pat Ireland
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 08:28 AM ET
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Clay Dot has burning characteristics nearly identical to Clays. The same people who told the Australians how to make Clays now make Clay Dot in the USA.

Pat Ireland

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Hauxfan
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 08:57 AM ET
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Clay Dot is what I use. As far as I'm concerned, it is identical.

I can switch from one to the other on my reloader and never have to change anything and it drops the same amount.

Hauxfan!

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Clay KillR
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 09:27 AM ET
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I've been very happy with E3 for 7/8oz. and 1oz. loads, both around 1195fps. The recoil will be pretty sharp with 11/8oz., especially HDCP loads. Very clean, very consistent. Slightly cheaper. ($2-3 less/8lbs. vs. Clays)

Go down one bushing from what you use in Clays and you'll get a load that uses 0.5-1.0 grains less than Clays with roughly 10-15fps more velocity; more loads per bottle. MADE IN THE USA!

As Always, verify your powder drops with a scale.

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: colonel klink
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 12:05 PM ET
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Clays is easy to find around here! Just bought some last Thursday night at the club. I'd say search around a little & I think you will find the Clays. Wouldn't think they would quit making it. Colonel

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: fssberson
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 02:00 PM ET
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700X is a good substitute. Fred

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Quack Shot
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 04:09 PM ET
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Clay Dot! It will cost a little less too!

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Spanky
Date: Tue, May 19, 2009 - 05:03 PM ET
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I'm somewhat in the same situation as you and many others. I'm looking forward to switching over to Clay Dot. Heck, I'm a die hard Clays user but, if it ain't there and I switch I ain't going back. I think I'm gonna find that it has been over rated and over priced.

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Pat Ireland
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 06:43 AM ET
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Spanky- If you liked Clays, you will like Clay Dot even better.

Pat Ireland

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: MTA Tom
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 06:51 AM ET
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Is there a Clay Dot recipe for 1200 fps with 1 1/8 oz in AA hulls?

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: dverna
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 08:55 AM ET
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MTA Tom, Clay Dot uses the same recipes as Clays. Don Verna

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Jerry944t
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 12:56 PM ET
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Another vote for ClayDot. Can't tell any real life difference between it and Clays except it's not as expensive.

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: fssberson
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 03:00 PM ET
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What Hornady Bushing # to throw 17.4 of Clay Dot? Fred

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: MTA Tom
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 04:47 PM ET
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Hi Don

I don't have any reason to doubt you, but I don't see a 1200 fps 1 1/8 load in AA hulls listed on the Alliant web site. Do you use a published recipe?

Tom

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: timb99
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 05:04 PM ET
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If you like Hodgdon products, as I do, try Titewad or Titegroup.

They are denser powders, so they will not take up as much space in the hull as Clays does.

Both very clean.

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: BigM-Perazzi
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 07:32 PM ET
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for 1200 with an 1 1/8 I think I'd try red dot, or american select...although alliant does show a 1200 with 18.8 gr claydot using rem primers and a STS hull...

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: bigbore613
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 08:18 PM ET
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700X

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: berettagold53954
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 08:53 PM ET
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once again smittys guns in deerfield wi has a ton of win 209 and rio primers ammo for about any gun and clays and many powders its an untapped resource

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: dverna
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 09:36 PM ET
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Tom, I called Alliant and they told me the recipes were interchangeable when I first bought the powder. Frankly, I have not used it yet as I find Promo does everything I need for Trap (only at the 23 yard line) at a lower cost. I bought it for pistol loads.

You are smart to question. There are plenty of "experts" on the web who haven't a clue.

Don Verna

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: oleolliedawg
Date: Wed, May 20, 2009 - 09:41 PM ET
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Tightgroup, one of the best kept secrets out there!!

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Subject: Powder to Replace Hodgdon Clays?
From: Quack Shot
Date: Thu, May 21, 2009 - 05:05 PM ET
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Clays is really not a great choice for a powder for 1 1/8 oz loads in STS or Win AA hulls. The tendency for the pressures to be fairly high is there. Clay Dot is "similar" to Clays and I would not recommend using the data interchangeably. A lot of the data that Hodgdon's has published is old. Notice a lot of "LUPs" rather than PSI. It's a great powder for 7/8, 1oz, and "SOME" 1 1/8 up to 1150 fps in the tapered hulls. I would opt for a different powder for the 1200 fps 1 1/8 oz in order to keep the pressures reasonable. In the 2009 Alliant Guide, they do list ONE load for a 1 1/8 oz load. It's well over 10,000 PSI, so I would not consider using it to any great extent. In the Federal Gold Medal Hulls, it's an entirely differnt story. Clays/Clay Dot is a great powder for 1200 fps 1 1/8 oz loads.

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