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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kgb
Date: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 - 11:43 PM ET
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John, I honestly never weighed the various weights, just tried them until I found which ones felt best with the slug in the stock and the 30", 28" or 26" barrels I shoot. It wasn't really critical, in my estimation.

I don't think there was ever any intention to manufacture the caps as a business, more of a hobby thing. I can always ask if he's interested in making more, and what he'd charge. Think I paid $130 for the cap and weights but it's been several years.

Kirk

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 10:03 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 09:59 PM ET
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You mean what kind of slob not slop. I didn't say that i didn't clean the gun! I said I didn't clean the gas ports. I owned several 11-48's over the years in 12ga and they were all junk. I own at this moment an 11-48 in 28ga and it is all right. What on earth is the great quality of the 11-48 that I somehow missed? Between the gun sedlom cycling with anything other then 1 1/4 rmagnum shells and it throwing the bolt handle into the weeds I didn't see much to like about them.

I guess I just got tired of carrying a screw driver in my pocket to open the bolt every time I crossed a fence.

Grayson, at this time I own more then 30 autoloaders and I own lots and lots of Remingtons, berettas and winchester Sx-1's. If the 11-48 was a good gun I would still own one and remington would not have replaced it.

some guys shoot more then others. I have no idea how many of the posters on trapshooters shoot between 15,000 and 35 to 40,000 rounds per year. I know that I have done at least 15,000 for more then 30 years in a row. 96% of the time with an automatic of some form or other. This is why I say that there really is no perfect autoloader but if forced to pick just one it would be a Sx-1. Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Grayson Mayne
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 08:19 PM ET
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superxjeff what about an A5? By the way what kind of slop goes 7000 rounds between cleanings with an automatic or any kind of gun for that matter. The only auto I know of that you can reliably do that with is a Ruger ten twenty two. Jeff how many 11-48s did you own?

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 07:34 PM ET
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Grayson? are you serious? an 11-48? In 12ga there was never a bigger POS ever built thne an 11-48.

My trap Sx-1 went 7000 rounds without having the gas ports cleaned before it failed to cycle a shell. try that with a 303 or an 1100. I have and they don't make it past about 4000 rounds before they fail to cycle. If reliability is an issue I am willing to bet cash that my sx-1 will outlast any 303 or 1100 before it fails to eject shells. Loser pays for the ammo! Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Grayson Mayne
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 07:21 PM ET
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Of course it was the best. They always quit making the best. A5 (mod 11) 1148, 1100, 303. In that company I really don't think that the sx1 makes the cut.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: wrbabb
Date: Tue, Sep 28, 2010 - 07:02 PM ET
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Had a SX1 then moved to a 1100 then a Beretta Urika. I had an SX3 sporting model with adjustable comb which I think is better than all of them. Fast shooting clean, the SX1 was dirtier than the 1100 and Beretta. The big issue is that the SX1,1100 and Urika have snap on shell catchers available. They work! The SX3 does not - you have to use a rubber band or that Birchwood Casey catcher. It bugged me enough that I moved back to an O/U.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Berettasskeeter
Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 - 02:08 PM ET
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What are the weights of your 3 forend weights? Is your friend making any more, and if so for what price? I've been using a Dead Mule in the mag tube, on the 3 guns I've had (only have one now), and I like it, but it does limit me, and I think the forend cap weight might swing the gun a little more smoothly. John

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kgb
Date: Thu, Sep 02, 2010 - 12:19 PM ET
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One of our Skeet shooters works at a machine shop and I gave him the forearm cap from my SX1 to use as a guide. He makes those for Beretta 303s, Rem 1100s and others but hadn't done a SX1 yet. The cap's nose is threaded, I wound up getting 3 different weights and the one on the gun is the longest. A friend cast a slug of lead (pushed a 12ga shell into sand and poured lead in that) which I wrapped and installed in the buttstock, and the gun's balance is good for me now. The gun has a 28" Full barrel that someone had set up for Briley chokes, and for Trap I use a 30" IM Trap barrel with a wire that Bob B installed to catch empties. Before getting the choketubed barrel I used a 26" IC version for Skeet but it has .009" of choke.

Some of the Skeet shooters use Trap stocks on their guns, guess I've found a Skeet dimensioned stock works better for me at Trap? At least on this gun.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: ricks1
Date: Thu, Sep 02, 2010 - 03:11 AM ET
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there is only ONE auto that works ALL the time Never had one to fail in any weather have one 1955 was never cleaned till 2 years ago No needed parts and been around longer than most all of you. A5

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: wayneo
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 - 07:53 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 - 07:19 PM ET
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kgb, That is a skeet stock. I have some factory skeet stocks that were oil finished. I like your magazine tube weight. Mine is an old sx-1 extended magazine tube. Looks kind of neat but my scores went down when i tried to use it. Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: charlevillecat
Date: Tue, Aug 31, 2010 - 07:15 AM ET
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Hi KGB,where did you get the forend weight?Can email me your telephone number.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: BAD 303
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 - 10:26 PM ET
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And now we know a guy on here that works for Browning. lol

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Luckyman
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 - 05:00 PM ET
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Browing Gold....Hands down the Fastest cycling (It's even been proven with a stopwatch!), softest shooting most reliable auto ever made! It replaced the best which was the Auto 5....I have had mine for 12 years now with not one malfunction or one part failure to speak of!

After that is has to be the new Maxus....Beretta's are overrated, slow cycling hard to clean and way overpriced!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: PerazziBigBore
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 - 04:26 PM ET
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Bryan.. I'm not selling my Model 50's Yet..I sold my Super X-1 to Jeff.. who loved them much more than I do.. The Double auto just never felt right to me..The Beretta sounds like a bunch of scrap metal in a barrel when it cycles..I've shot some pretty good scores with a Remington 1100..and Remington 58..

At the end of the day.. when trap shooters come in ONLY 1 size.. this question will have only 1 answer.. The closest I can come.. The Auto.. that takes you to the winners circle is the BEST for you..

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kgb
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 - 03:36 PM ET
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Here's the current stock on my SX1, Charleville you might recognize the buttstock as I don't think I've seen one like it before. It's also got an oil finish which I like better than the glossy version as on my gun's "original" stock---but then so many people part out these things and mix/match parts that it's hard to tell how it left the factory. It's either a Hi-Straight Trap or Skeet stock, I've never measured the drops to know for sure but it shoots well at both games for me!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: maddog
Date: Thu, Aug 26, 2010 - 03:18 PM ET
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For those of you near Denver, my son and I will have a very nice near-new condition Super X 1 for sale on our table at the gun show this weekend. It is a trap model- I think he will let it go for $650. Also about ten other guns- a model 42, a field model 12, two model 31's, an A5, and my now famous Ljutic LJII derringer. Drop by and take a look! Bob Doyle.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: chuckles
Date: Thu, Aug 26, 2010 - 08:46 AM ET
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Winchester Super X Model 1...

Winchester lost more than 20 Million dollars on the project to build an Autoloader equal in looks, feel, quality, appeal, to their famous and legendary Model 12.

The gun had the best wood, the best fitting, the best machining (and the receiver and gas system was all hand machined and fitted), the best barrels, the best gas operating system, a really good feel, fit and pointability...

Pound for pound for the day it was the Best Bang for the Buck going....

But and a big but....the gun was a tad heavy and way too expensive for your everyday shooter guy.....

Remington beat them up big time on Price...

About 90000 guns were manufactured with the biggest numbers over 70% going to the Hunters of the land...

Winchester lost their arse and discontinued making the gun in favor of newer models using modern methods of production...

It remains to this day a quality shotgun...

IMO Easily the best, Quality wise, Semi Auto Shotgun ever manufactured on a large scale.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: sliverbulletexpress
Date: Thu, Aug 26, 2010 - 01:34 AM ET
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I really like the SX1 it is a fine shotgun but I believe it is in second place to the 1100. Everyone is different, the SX1 is reliable and low recoiling, I just seem to shoot better with the 1100 and I can fix anything that could ever go wrong with it in a few minutes. If I were rating auto shotguns my top 13 list would go like this. I'm sure I've forgotten one or two you all post your lists lets compare.

1 Remington 1100-1187

2 Winchester SX1

3 Browning B2000 (nothing kicks less)

4 SKB XL900 Gas version

5 Mossberg 930

6 Winchester Super X 3

7 Browning Auto5 (98 years in production)

8 Winchester 1400 9 FNH SLP

10 Benelli M4 (you have to shoot it to believe it)

11 TriStar Viper G2 Silver (very underrated value priced)

12 Saiga AK 12

13 Beretta 303

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kgb
Date: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 - 11:23 PM ET
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I bought a Super-X for trapshooting and wound up using it for skeet as well. Original stock is in the picture, I wound up getting an oil-finish high-straight version from Charlevillecat and it shot enough better that I sold the montecarlo gloss-finish version (on this forum). Added a slug of lead to the buttstock, got a weight system for the front and really like the balance for either game. Gotta get a picture of the new setup, but here's version 1:

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Tom Strunk
Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 - 12:53 PM ET
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I've been watching this thread with interest.

The best I ever shot trap and sporting was with a SX-1. Stone reliable. Great pointing and low recoil.

My modifications for trap were as follows; Tom Seitz barrel and porting, Nu-line stainless steel tube and gas system, Hoblit release trigger, and Anton roll over stock. 3rd in the ATA for combined high averages in 1985, look it up. Same barrel and POI for all events.

For sporting I used a standard Monte Carlo Winchester stock that was "adjusted to shoot about 50/50", I used a 30" barrel cut to 26" with no choke and a 28" barrel with a full assortment of Briley thin wall chokes. Again with the Hoblit release trigger. Nu-lines tube and gas system. Shot in England in 1987 on team USA.

I would still be shooting this gun today, it's in my safe, if I didn't have problems releasing targets when I closed the action.

I retired from trap shooting about nine years ago and started shooting pull trigger guns at skeet so I could become a better shooter of Quail. It worked.

About three years ago I came back to trap shooting and found that I could no longer set the Super-X's Hoblit release trigger on my shoulder as I had always done. The years of shooting just a pull trigger had confused my trigger finger, I was experiencing cold sweats just trying to set the release trigger. Daro Handy told me that he always set the trigger with the gun at his side and then closed the action before mounting the gun. This I tried but for what ever reason the noise of the bolt closing would cause a target to be thrown about 25% of the time. It was no fun holding the release trigger back and then calling for another target.

So I made the change to a Kreighoff Trap Special combo with a Top single. Now I set the trigger at my side with the gun open, then close the gun, mount the gun, call and shoot.

Sorry this went on a little long. But I would say that the Super-X was the best gas gun of it's time. I would vote for the Beretta 391 now. Remingtons would break parts too often, Benelli's kick to much and the Browning used to break firing pins to often. Owned them all.

Tom Strunk

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: oleolliedawg
Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 - 10:51 AM ET
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I've broken a few parts in my SX-1's but other than that totally agree with Gary!!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Dr.Longshot
Date: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 - 09:41 AM ET
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I owned a couple of SX-1s wish I had them back. They were very reliable and functioned flawlessly on doubles.

Pete McCall shot Super Xs on doubles, did it so well someone stole it, ask Pete what he thinks of the SX-1?

The reason they fell out of favor was price as it was an all forged steel gun and the cost of machining put it where the average shooter would not pay the price.

I believe if it were brought out today with an adjustable rib and nice wood it would be a great selling gun.

Emerson Hoblit made one of the best release triggers for a Super-X.

I never had a part break in my SX-1.

Just replace the recoil buffer in the rear of the reciever, Remington 1100 had one but it was in the rear of the bolt.

Remington 1100s had firing spring breaks all the time, broken forks, recievers splitting( cracking ) and so did the 870s.

The SX-1 was far superior for it's time of Mfgr.

Hand checkering not stamped.

Gary Bryant Dr.longshot

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kiv-c
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 10:02 PM ET
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Now that I'm in my sixties, I go hunting with my constant companion, Arthur Ritis. So, lugging an 8 lb 12 oz SX-1 is just no longer an option. "I used ta' could, but cain't no more", as my dearly departed father in law would say.

I carry a Benelli Ultra Light now - all 5 lb , 12 oz of it! Field loads are a bit tough on the shoulder, but let's face it, we carry a gun a lot more than we shoot it!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Barry C. Roach
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 09:35 PM ET
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Those old doubles were fine autos. The fact that they were only doubles is what killed them for hunters. It shouldn't have but you know Americans. The more the better. The Remingtons killed them off. I loved them.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 09:28 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: bluedevil
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:44 PM ET
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All I know is I made the 27yd line with a good ole 1100 that smoked targets from the 16 to the parking lot. Bacon, hams, turkeys, practically fed my young family with one. Forgot to mention pheasants, ducks, geese, quail and chuckar.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Dbl Auto
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:43 PM ET
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wayneo, you forgot that the steel DA model was just short of 8 lbs. So you could pick the one that was just right for you! BTW, great pic!!

Doug Allison

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: wayneo
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:34 PM ET
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I could be wrong... The Double Auto with a 28" barrel weighed: 7-1/4 lbs.

The Twelvette: 6-3/4 lbs.

Twentyweight: 6 lbs.

Remington 1100: 8 lbs.

Winchester Super X-1: 7-1/2 lbs.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: FLAKETM
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:21 PM ET
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I owned one. If it was the best, it would still be made.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Dbl Auto
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:15 PM ET
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The Double Auto can still be found on the trap field as well!

Doug Allison

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Dbl Auto
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 08:13 PM ET
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Double Auto, best in the field and the Super X didn't come in red or green!

Doug Allison

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: DoubleAuto
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 07:58 PM ET
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Enjoy your heavy guns. Most people want a well balanced smooth handling field gun of reasonable weight to hunt with. Hunting may be a macho "look how heavy a shotgun I can carry" game to you but not to me.

DoubleAuto

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 04:35 PM ET
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This reminds me of the guys who want a 6 pound rifle. I always ask them what they are going to do with the dead elk that weighs 600 plus pounds? Man! I am a wimp compared to the guys I hunt with and I carry a Sx-1 all day. How old are you guys? Are you guy's in your 80's or 90's? I guess If I was in my 80's a pound might matter. I guess I will carry my heavy guns until I can no longer do it. Then I will switch to my 870 28ga. Jeff

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 04:06 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: kiv-c
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 03:58 PM ET
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The Super-X1 or 1100 are fine for trap or duck/goose hunting; you only have to heft them around for a few minutes of shooting at a time. But carry them all day long on a pheasant hunt? No thanks; been there, done that. Could barely lift my arms the next day!

A 6 1/2 lb o/u took its place shortly after!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: DoubleAuto
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 03:00 PM ET
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Jeff:

You are comparing two old design heavyweights. Compare it to a Benelli Montefeltro or a Browning Gold Fusion. The Super X1 weighs at least a pound more than either one in the same configuration (I own an example of all three). Even my "old design" Double Auto Twelvettes weigh a lot less than the Super X1.

DoubleAuto

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Mon, Aug 23, 2010 - 01:15 PM ET
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Now the Sx-1 is heavy in the field? Really? How mucg does a Sx-1 weigh compared to a Remington 1100 which is still the most common auto in the field? I guess I must be so strong I never noticed it! I have only carried one in teh field for 30 years along with numerious remington 1100's as well. I never noticed that one was heavier then the other. I demand weights!!!! Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Brian in Oregon
Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 - 05:54 PM ET
Website Address: http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/shotgun-families/autoloading-versa-max.aspx

PerazziBigBore, quote: "I never shot the Super x very well.. My old love is the Winchester model 50.. but I must say.. the new Remington that shoots 2 3/4 thru 3.5" shells sure felt good at the GRAND.. John took it apart for me.. dead simple.. I think its a winner.. Time will tell.. Neither have the clanking metalic sound of the 390/391 when you shoot it.."

Interesting gas design. Quite clever, really. It could be a definite improvement on the 1187, which itself is a clever, simple setup. Time will tell, particularly when it comes to cleaning.

It will be interesting to see what internal action changes have been made. Specifically if the staked in action bars have been dispensed with, as Mossberg did in 1961.

I'm dismayed by the price. On the other hand, the pricing ($1399 msrp) shows it apparently is not intended to replace the 1100 or 1187, unless Remington want to cede that market to the Mossberg 935. And the Mossberg 935 could prove to be a thorn in the new Versa Max's side anyway, because of pricing. The Mossberg has the same basic features at a significantly less price ($750 to $850 msrp).

One thing I'm not sure I like on the Versa Max is the stock design, and the goofy looking trigger guard. I guess Remington figured it had to get fancy with a new gun. Glad to hear you think it felt good.

Tron ought to be happy. He's been criticizing the 1100/1187 design as being long obsolete (even though they remain very popular guns and millions have been sold).

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: chuckles
Date: Sun, Aug 22, 2010 - 08:31 AM ET
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Easily one of the Best Semi Autos ever made but not the best...I would have to say the Beretta 390 or 391 is the Bestus...Sales numbers would also give the nod to Rem 1100

I used to buy, sell, trade and shoot SX1's, I've been thru at least 100 of them in all the various configurations.

One of the best shooters in a SX1 that I had was a Standard Field Grade receiver, with a Trap barrel and Field Grade wood custom painted (Remington STS Green) by SuperXJeff....I still have the wood but have gone out of the SX1 business.

Chuck

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: jhjanko
Date: Sat, Aug 21, 2010 - 01:03 PM ET
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doubleauto said "Browning Double Automatic, the best there is of the best there is. Doug Allison"

Of course!!!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: BudsterXT
Date: Fri, Aug 20, 2010 - 07:25 PM ET
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I am still trying to wrangle the Winchester Super X 1 that my Pops gave to my kid.

He says no way. I tried trading snow kones, legos, ice cream, two hours of staying up late. The list goes on

Dammit man, how low can I go?

Evidently, my kid knows what he has got.

I love my kid

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: halfmile
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 - 10:47 PM ET
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Super X 2 is basically a Browning gold with cheaper clothes on.

HM

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: DoubleAuto
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 - 05:48 PM ET
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The Super X1 is only superior in the quality of the mechanical design and machined parts. As far as being a useful for hunting or clay target shooting it is average to poor at best. Generally too heavy to be carried in the field and was never widely accepted as a target gun. If it is such a great target gun (and better than the current offerings of 12 gauge semi-autos) why aren't the better clay target shooters in any discipline using Super X1's? Super X1's are available at relatively cheap prices today. Everyone wants a reliable shotgun that will last a long time. But if such a shotgun does not have good to great handling/balance and/or a pleasure to carry in the field it is not the best shotgun ever made no matter what kind of mechanical marvel it is supposed to be.

I have four Super X1's that I have accumulated over the years (one is highly customized). Take them out every so often, wipe them down and put them away. Have better handling/balanced/carrying semi-autos that are a pleasure to shoot.

DoubleAuto

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Tron
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 - 05:30 PM ET
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Yes, I do believe that he is simply Clowning around (or Trolling). At least, that's how I took it.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 - 04:34 PM ET
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I think he thinks he is being serious. I have a sx-2 and I don't believe it is a superior design. I think it is a more useful gun due to choke tubes and a 3 inch chamber or 3 1/2 if the buyer wishes. I don't undestand why they never built it in a trap grade.

As far as a better design , I would have to have that one explained to me as I have had them both in all their parts and pieces and the sx-1 is simple and flawless. A sx-1 that is clean will not jam. I feel it will last longer then any of the other autos without cleaning it. I clean my guns so it isn't a big issue but Winchester ( Nu-Line guns) tells of one that had gone 45,000 rounds without cleaning and it was still cycling shells without jamming. That is a lot of shells. Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Mark425
Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 - 02:06 PM ET
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Sky Buster...thats a joke ...right?

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: sky buster
Date: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 - 01:33 PM ET
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The Super X 2 is a superior gun to both the original Super X and most other designs.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: sarge
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:35 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: team henges
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:31 PM ET
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i dont think so, i think the benelli super black eagle hunting gun and a benelli super sport for sporting...definitely with the crio barrel. the super sport only has to be cleaned about every thousand rounds and nothing sticks to the benelli crio barrel.

brendan

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Dbl Auto
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:23 PM ET
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Browning Double Automatic, the best there is of the best there is. Doug Allison

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: acss
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:40 PM ET
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gees bad303-- i cudnt have said it any better--go the rack at any gunclub and see what is being shot!!!-- look at the misc. after market stuff, what brands they make for?--303,390 & 391's are always in there for wood, barrel modifications ect ect--the publics needs speak for themselves!!!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: BAD 303
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:26 PM ET
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I would say it is the third best auto i know of. And i have only seen one guy shooting one for sporting competitions. And i have shot for the last 15 years in a lot of states. You never see a super x anywhere on the sporting courses. Now take a 303 or 390 out there in great shape and there will be a fight for it if it's for sale. A super x may be built like a tank but it feels like one as well.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Eddiefromoverlook
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:25 PM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: FLAKETM
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 06:36 PM ET
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I have owned a Model 12 and an SX1 that was updated by the late guru of the SX1. The semi-auto pointed well like the Model 12 and constructed well. But, a little secret here: The Browning Gold Sporting was modeled after the SX1, points as well and a lot more reliable. I've owned one of those, too, and wish I hadn't sold it. I also wish I hadn't sold the 12. I'm not sorry I sold the SX1. Of course, this is just one man's opinion.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: BDodd
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 06:32 PM ET
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Yes! You wascally wabbit!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Tron
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 06:30 PM ET
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"The SX-1 is very popular with the Sporting Clays enthusiasts".

It is?

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: BDodd
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 06:26 PM ET
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The best when considering no plastic parts, basics are machined, and, seemingly, no extra parts hanging here and there. The SX-1 is very popular with the Sporting Clays enthusiasts......Bob Dodd

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: johnboy
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 04:40 PM ET
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I thought it was until I picked up a new Beretta gas gun at the grand. Beretta was offering test drives but did not have time. Rather pricey at 1700.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: senior smoke
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 04:37 PM ET
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I have always judged a semi auto by how many rounds I could shoot without a malfuntion due to not cleaning the gun. I also judge semi auto's on how they perform in very cold weather living here in Wisconsin. I have owned numerous 1100's both left hand and right hand models. I have owned beretta AL2's, 301's, 303's and found them to be work horses. I was never able to shoot a beretta semi auto very well as the barrels all shot to high for me compared to 1100's and my super x. Another criteria that I use is if parts are readily available, and how much recoil I endure while shooting it. Here's my list. Remington 1100's- Less recoil to me than the rest of the guns I mentioned. Parts are more available than the other guns. Easiest to shoot for me than the other guns. Bad thing about my 1100's were they broke down using heavy loads, the bottom ring would break as well as the tuning fork.

Beretta semi auto's- All work horses, best for not breaking down. I find the recoil to be more for me than the 1100's and the super X.

Winchester super X- I only owned one trap model. It shot where I looked, had beautiful wood. It broke targets for me as well as the 1100. Gun Parts were difficult to find in my area compared to the other two guns. Recoil wise, I'd place the winchester in second place, with the 1100 in first.

Steve Balistreri

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: doublea
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 04:08 PM ET
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Back in the 80's I shot a Super X Model 1 trap and a 1100 trap. I loved the mechanics of the Super X, but I always shot better with the 1100. Adam

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Barry C. Roach
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 04:00 PM ET
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Not by a long shot. Good materials but far from perfect design. I think there are at least three or four that are more reliable.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: SuperXJeff
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 03:51 PM ET
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They all have their place in the line up for diffrent reasons. If I had to pick only one it would be the sx-1. I also own 1100's with Morton mechanical recoil device, J&S air Cushion stocks as well as Baker Big bore barrels. They are pretty soft kickers. When I want soft kick that is what I want. When I want the most reliable auto I choose the SX-1.

They all break and need required parts. So do Break open guns! If you have never worn out a hinge pin then you don't shoot that much. I like the way an 1100 points Better then a Sx-1, I also like the way a 303 beretta points and they are another very reliable gun you can get at a fair price now and then.

it's not really a ford VS Chevy question as they all have things I would say that they do better then the other gas gun. There is not one gun that has all the parts that are needed. I know somw guys may think they do, but if they have shot a couple of hundred thousand rounds through autoloaders they would agree with my statement that there really is no "ONE" best autoloader.

Jeff

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: oleolliedawg
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 03:34 PM ET
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They didn't really have adjustable pull weight triggers although some shooters thought so. Turn out that little allen screw a bit too much and it was likely to snap off.

Shoot that 1100 trigger a bit too much and off goes the hammer pin washer allowing the hammer pin to elongate it's hole through the hammer. I suppose It's far easier to throw away a pot metal trigger than repair a machined steel one!!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: dickgtax
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 03:13 PM ET
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What Ahab said, except everyone who picked one up said: "this doesn't feel anything like a Model 12." There was one guy who shot one, but he was a Winchester rep. Everyone else stayed with their 1100's.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Ahab
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 02:46 PM ET
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All us Old Pharts remember when the SX1 1st came out ... it was advertised as the auto Model 12.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: markostrunk
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 02:43 PM ET
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Super X 1 the best? Far from it. I had a pair of the early skeet guns in the late '70s, the ones with the adjustable pull weight triggers. Couldn't hold a candle to the 1100. The Super Xs 1) had trigger issues (which made Winchester switch to the non-adjustable trigger), 2) the guns ate buffers the way I eat peanuts, 3) the magazine tube eroded while you watched, 4) the ribs were riveted on at the muzzle. The rivet went through to the choke. The rivets would last about 5k and then the ribs would come loose. The guns also had noticeably more recoil than the 1100s. At least with the 1100s, you could carry a few parts and know where you stood.

My SX-1s, did have pretty wood though.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: philk
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 01:08 PM ET
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Eddie got it right, the best there is, was and ever will be. Just such a pain to strip down and clean.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: oleolliedawg
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 12:51 PM ET
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Yup!!

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: shadow
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 12:29 PM ET
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Next best thing to a M-12.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: shutupandshoot
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 12:08 PM ET
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I have an extra clean Model 1 that I want to sell if anyone is interested. It is a field grade but I have put a shell catcher on it and exchanged the bold handle to the updated one that is made to clear the shell catcher and also does not come out easily like the old ones do. If interested e-mail me at sjdrouse@msn.com. It is fixed full choke and will smoke um'

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Eddiefromoverlook
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 10:52 AM ET
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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: halfmile
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:54 AM ET
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SX-1 is a marvelous gun. Discontinued because it was too good. It had a machined steel feed ramp, others had pressed steel. Most were posessed with excellent wood, especially target models.

A friend's father in law worked at the plant, and each year they could pick a gun for themselves. He always picked target guns because of their apearance.

Buuuut.....being full gas guns, they clank and shuffle, and it's noticeable to people, and comforting to long time users.

I recentlly acquired a SX-2 sporter, and was amazed at the fact there was no clank and shuffle. It sort of feels like a pump or break gun. The cycle is very unnoticeable compared to any of my 1100's (.410 excepted) Now, the crux of the matter.

The best auto will have to be defined as the one YOU love. There are way too many idiosyncrasies to be able to define any one gun as "best",

For duck and goose, I would prefer a Beretta Extrema. For appearance, the nice examples of the Teknys I have seen are gorgeous.

For the gun that fits and shoots well for 90 % of adults, the 1100. Somehow they got it right.

And now I know why they build 30 gun safes.

HM

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: PerazziBigBore
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:19 AM ET
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I never shot the Super x very well.. My old love is the Winchester model 50.. but I must say.. the new Remington that shoots 2 3/4 thru 3.5" shells sure felt good at the GRAND.. John took it apart for me.. dead simple.. I think its a winner.. Time will tell.. Neither have the clanking metalic sound of the 390/391 when you shoot it..

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: jhjanko
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 09:02 AM ET
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It is likely that a Super X 1, with all of todays after market upgrades, may well be one of the very best, if not the very best. It should have the stainless magazine tube, a stage 3 trigger group and the modern version of bolt buffer. I would buy an engraved skeet gun with high grade wood and then find a 30 inch barrel with briley thin-wall tubes. Or add the tubes if not already there.

No matter what a given opinion may be, a fully upgraded Super X-1 is a very fine shotgun.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: rocko
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 08:37 AM ET
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Yes. I bought my first SX1 in 1971. It has hundreds of thousands of rounds through it. Other than O rings a few bolt buffers and cleaning (gas system needs to be kept clean) I have done nothing. No springs no firing pins no nothing.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: Tron
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:43 AM ET
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NO. It's no longer in production, therefor everyone MUST have it.

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: cubancigar2000
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:41 AM ET
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NO

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Subject: Is the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the Best Semi
From: charlevillecat
Date: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 - 07:38 AM ET
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Do you gentleman consider the Winchester SuperX Model 1 the best Semi-Auto,just would like to hear some feedback.

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