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wackdux 23-Aug-13 - 04:23 PM ET
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mette56 24-Aug-13 - 10:50 AM ET
skeet_man 24-Aug-13 - 11:21 AM ET
puablo 24-Aug-13 - 11:23 AM ET
skeet_man 24-Aug-13 - 11:28 AM ET
slide action 24-Aug-13 - 07:22 PM ET
ORG 24-Aug-13 - 08:00 PM ET
wayneo 24-Aug-13 - 08:27 PM ET
fly 25-Aug-13 - 10:17 AM ET
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skeet_man 25-Aug-13 - 10:45 PM ET
Carl N. Chadwell 26-Aug-13 - 09:30 AM ET
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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: wackdux
Date: Fri, Aug 23, 2013 - 04:23 PM ET
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Bunch of us was sitting around at the BS table and this Question came up......How many shooters do you know that were an ALL-AMERICAN in both Trap and Skeet in the same year? I know of 1.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: X2 fan
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 09:44 AM ET
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Vic Reinders??

Tim

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: Aggie.
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 09:50 AM ET
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Grant Ilseng. Industry shooter

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: mx8dave
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 10:42 AM ET
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D.Lee Braun,??? MX8Dave

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: mette56
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 10:50 AM ET
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Gene Sears was Captain of Trap, Skeet and Sporting Clays teams...but in the same year????

milt

(evidently not true)

milt

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 11:21 AM ET
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Vic Reinders was a NSSA AA member in 1947 only.

Grant Ilseng was on an AA team in 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, & 1953.

Braun made teams in 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962, 1963, & 1964.

Gene Sears has never been on any AA skeet team.

Due to the large target requirements of both sports (as well as the costs) and there only being so many days in a year to shoot, I would be amazed if anyone has done it in the last 50 years. And would be astounded if anyone has EVER done it with having been a professional shooter (full time employee of a gun or ammunition company, as Ilseng and Braun were).

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: puablo
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 11:23 AM ET
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Possibly Dick Shaugnessey from Mass. during the 40s or 50s

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 11:28 AM ET
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Shaughnessy was on teams in 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1959, & 1961.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: slide action
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 07:22 PM ET
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Here are a few of Rudy Etchen's accomplishments SHOTGUNNING MASTERY: Rudy Etchen's Records

• Member of 14 All-American Trap and Skeet teams.

• Winner North American Clay Target Championship.

• Winner Open Championship of North America.

• Winner North American Doubles Championship - 5 times.

• Winner High Average on 16-Yard Targets in North America twice.

? 1952 with 99.20% average, a record at the time.

? 1953 with 99.12% average.

• Winner High Over All Championship of North America - 5 times. 1950 score of 980x1000 was a record at the time.

• Winner High All Around Championship of North America - 5 times.

• Winner of more than 100 state and regional trap championships.

• Youngest State Trap Champion - Kansas - 14 years of age. Repeated as State Champion the following year.

• Winner High Average on Doubles in North America - 3 times.

• First 100 Straight on Doubles ever shot at the Grand American.

• Winner of 20 state and regional skeet championships.

• Winner National Sub Small Bore (.410) Skeet Championship.

• International Skeet - 2nd place in Championship of the World.

• International Trap - 3rd place in Championship of the World.

• International Trap - winner gold medal at Olympic tryouts in 1972. Broke the first 100 straight ever shot on the Rochester, MN, field enroute to a 196x100.

• Winner World Live Pigeon Championship High Over All, Mexico City, 1966. Second place in the individual event among some 478 entrants.

• Match of Nations, Cairo, Egypt - Member of winning live-bird team competing with 25 other countries.

• Winner World Live Bird Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, 1955.

• Winner Live Bird Championship of Madrid, 1965.

• Winner Live Bird Championship of Paris, 1955.

• Winner Open Flyer Championship of Guadalajara, 1974.

• Winner Columbaire Championship of Seville, Spain, 1965.

• Winner Columbaire Championship of Madrid, 1966.

• Winner Columbaire Championship of Egypt Open, 1955.

• Grand National Quail Championship, Enid, Oklahoma - high score three years in a row.

Long Run Skeet Record - 104 targets straight. If that doesn't impress you, consider that Rudy Etchen shot it while standing on one foot . . . atop the post at each skeet station . . . using only one hand . . . with a Model 12 pump shotgun.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: ORG
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 08:00 PM ET
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Jim Moeller, an All American in trap and skeet in one year. He was a junior shooter at the time. Don't know the year, but it was probably back in the days of black powder and glass balls, he is that old. He currently is #1 in the nation on the skeet seniority list.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: wayneo
Date: Sat, Aug 24, 2013 - 08:27 PM ET
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D.Lee Braun was an All-American in both Skeet and Trap in the years of:

1956

1958

1960

1961

He was also All-American Trap in '57,

and All-American Skeet in '59, and '62

Wayne

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: fly
Date: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 - 10:17 AM ET
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I find it hard to believe Vic Reinders was only an NSSA member for one year, as he has won many Wisconsin skeet titles from 1937 to 1962

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: Remingtonn
Date: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 - 10:27 PM ET
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My Dad Jim Moeller 1949/1950 junior teams. Both trap and skeet. Also the first trap shooter from Minnesota EVER to be named to an All American team. Proud son Randy.. Also a trap All American -- Industry category

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Sun, Aug 25, 2013 - 10:45 PM ET
Website Address: http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/

Rudy Etchen was on the AA Skeet team once, in 1949.

Jim Moeller has never been on an AA skeet team. Not sure what is meant by "seniority", but his name does not show up 1 time in the NSSA Records Annual...

Fly- I didn't say he was a member for only one year, but he was a NSSA All-American for only one year.

Randy- Your fathers name does not come up in the NSSA Junior teams for 1949 or 1951 (as per a footnote in the Records Annual, "NOTE: There was no 1950 team. The 1951 teams include records of 1950.").

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: Carl N. Chadwell
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 09:30 AM ET
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Elgin Gates.

peace.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: Scott Johnson
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 12:37 PM ET
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Gene Sears, now there is a shot gunning legend. Scott

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 04:08 PM ET
Website Address: http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/

Elgin Gates has never been on an All American skeet team, unless he went by a different first name.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: wackdux
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 05:16 PM ET
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Hey Cactus Jim Beck said to tell Gene he's not alone on the triple play. Jim has done it also. Couple tough shooters there.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: eightbore
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 06:39 PM ET
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Many posters are long on old wive's tales and short on research material. There are many All American Teams and members every year, First Teams, not so many.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Mon, Aug 26, 2013 - 06:50 PM ET
Website Address: http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/

Also, in regards to Rudy Etchen:

• Winner National Sub Small Bore (.410) Skeet Championship.

Assuming this is in reference to the World Championship, it is not true either. Etchens name does not show as a World Champion, and in fact only shows once in the Records Annual, as a member of the Professional AA team in 1949.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: Carl N. Chadwell
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 - 09:10 AM ET
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skeet_man,

Thanks for the information...having never shot skeet, Elgin was just an educated guess.

peace.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: eightbore
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 - 10:21 AM ET
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Winning an NSSA World Championship does not neccesarily make a shooter a member of the All-American Team. I may be wrong, but Ian may confirm.

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: mette56
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 - 11:15 AM ET
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Gene Sears at the MO State Shoot back in the 70's, maybe early 80's. Bottom picture he's on the right. C.E. Barnhart and Eddie Schneider on left.

Great All Americans--Great People!

milt

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Subject: WHO WAS AN ALL-AMERICAN?
From: skeet_man
Date: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 - 11:30 AM ET
Website Address: http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/

Eightbore is correct.

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