Just curious.How much did Leo win at the grand?

You could do a rough figure by looking at the payouts section on RJ Stuarts site. Besides not knowing which 25 or 50 he hit in the caps, singles or doubles, that would get you a good idea.

Tim

Thanks Tim, I did think of that but I was hoping someone here had already done the math. Maybe Karla will chime in?PJ

Jeezzz, I'm sure if they wanted everyone to know they would start a thread. How about showing your Income Report for this last year. Maybe your wife's too while we are snooping.

"I was hoping someone here had already done the math."

Pretty typical for this site.

Carryover from dems demanding Romney's tax forms.

See how the madness permeates people's lives?

$2,538,632.47

but, that's just a guess....

another reason I don't post anything on this site.

But, but, but, bluedevil, you just did.

i don,t know how much he took home but i would venture a guess the guy that won the 100 grand is the only guy that took home more. leo,s hoa & haa championships should get his grand american championships up around 27 or 28 somewhere in that neighbor hood & he is still going strong.going to take a heck of a shooter a heck of a long time to get more championships than leo. i would guess ray stafford is the only one close but i could be wrong.

Remember, Harry Reid has an unnamed spy lurking who will undoubtedly give Leo's name to the IRS.

If I were Karla and Leo, I'd keep it between me and whoever they choose to share it with, but surely not Harry Reid.

Gene Batchelar Wheaton, IL

bluedevil: I thought this might turn ugly but you have to feed the "fish" every once in a while!PJ

When a golfer wins a tournement the prize money he wins is made public. The sport seems to be doing very well. Why would you want to keep trap shooting prize money won by the shooters a secret. If made public maybe attendence would increase. HMB

I know he won 26,000 in the Martin Lewis alone............other than that I don't know what his totals were.

D.P.Reynolds

As a competitor in a trap tournamant do you think you have a right to know who has won the prize money? HMB

Had you been a competitior, or even an attendee at the Grand HMB, you could find out exactly what was paid out to each shooter for each separate event. All payouts are posted on the bulletin boards outside the scoresheet annex. A matter of public record for all to see.

Granted, you would have had to do some math to calculate Leo's take for the entire Grand, but no one would stop you from taking pencil to paper and adding it up. That would be your "right"

Could not have happened to a more hard working , dedicated master Trapshooter! (And a nice guy to boot}.

Not a single dime of mine unless he shows up at Cardinal Center this week. I may just write him a check and go shopping instead-it'll be cheaper!!

Plus 1 for what shannon 391 said, Leos a great guy, good people. Scott

I don't know how much Leo took home, as it is none of my business.

However, I'm also sure that Leo earned every dollar he took home and no one just gave it to him.

More power to him!

Hauxfan!

I think a little publicity about money won at the Grand might help attendance at future trap touraments. HMB

hmb i can assure you leo played every option available. if what he took home concerns you so much you can look on rj stuarts website & get all the scores leo broke then click on payouts & start figuring. you will get very close.personally i find the fact that leo is fast approaching 30 grand american championships almost unbelieveable. what a great asset for our sport. dwain

dwain, What concerns me is a missed opportunity by the ATA to take advantage of a news worthy event which might attract future trap shooters. HMB

At the team picnic at the end of the league year yesterday, a guy I shoot with said he had added up Leo's payouts, as listed on the RJ Stuart website, and he came up with something over $58,000, I forget the exact amount. Not a bad week. I made $2 in a Lewis class two weeks ago.

Gene, Harry doesn't need a spy. The IRS requires that anyone that gets more than a $600 payout gets a 1099 misc. The IRS will know exactly what Leo, and anyone else that took home over $600, soon enough.

8straight....I can do better than that. I paid $10 in a lewis and got back $7.50. lol

Just took a few minutes to go through the payouts for curiosity sake....a great shooter.... He took home around $58000 for the Grand. $23050 of Martins Money. $7134 of the ATA's money $28000 of your money! lol

More than I make in a year. Not sure if I'd rather work for a year, or shoot with the pressure of averaging 98.2 over the course of 2 weeks!!

Nice payday but he has to be spending a lot of money in pursuit.

Sounds like he took home..................Karla, lucky guy and everything he earned. :) Scott

Congratulations to the Harrisons. One step closer to moving to the Rich Retired Trapshooter's Home.

But Fella's C"mon now! Remember this is the "AMATEUR TRAPSHOOTER'S" assoc. What difference would it make who won what? The "BIG" guns aren't "PROS". So what if a select few win all the money that the rest of us put into the kitty. No need for a "PRO " class, right? No need to keep class money separate. Oh Gosh! What was I thinking then we wouldnt have the same people getting all our money......silly me

Remember now, he is off his day job and shooting in the ATA and no body should know he is doing it for a living. Talk about feeding the fish, LOL Tim

I think we forget, because we're all invited, this is the World Championship of American Trapshooting.

Like the Olympics and other World Championships, to the victor goes the spoils of victory...

8straight,

Last year during the a league I spent $8 on lewis and made (or should I say got back) $0.27. Quite the payout.

Only Amateur's teach and make money from the sport. Than what's a pro?

Put the money in Preliminary week and the All American points in grand week and have it so you can only shoot one of the two weeks. Then lets see who attends what week.

Except for 2-3 shooters,familiar names in the winner circle. Harlan, Fred Nagel, Leo, Mitch. Check the winners on RJ Stuart.

When will the ATA realise that technology and ability created a Master class.

Make it harder? Nope....move the majority ahead.

HMB, I totally agree with your thinking. Just seems reasonable to me.

As for all the negative comments, did you all get to be butts naturally or do you practice at it daily. Jackie B.

To the shooters who think Leo has it made, and the other All Americans and to the shooters who, know the truth, the monetary rewards pale in the amount of dedication needed to excell, the non "big boys" will NEVER know the practice and sacrifice our stars have known, Our gold medal winner at the olympics, shoots 500 to 1000 targets a day! I watched Pat Mcarthy shoot 2 100 straights in a snow storm at night practicing with the snot running down my nose! I was cold, said "no thanks" I NEVER want here a deroggatory remark about the "big boys" until you have seen the sacrafice that they have given to the sport, and dedication, you will NEVER appreciate the dedication!, they have outworked you, gone from shooting a measily 6 out of 25 and progressed to the position of today! and have out experimented you, when you have given what they have given, only then will you appreciate! incinerate em!

Jack, thanks for the support. Maybe someone at the top will get things figured out. HMB

Think I won $57 at our local shoot. Good day for me.

It cracks me up. Sometimes, people only hear what they want to hear. Big Guns means just that, plain and simple. They are good, the best. I understand a lot of hard work, dedication, money, practice went into their efforts and I commend them for it. Whether it be talent developed by that hard work or God given natural ability. Shooting Jack ------(listen up) if they are that good and have earned it "put them and their "own" prize money in one separate class.

Now I know the next word out of your mouth. Anyone that wins money ( other than you, of course) are sandbaggers!

"if they are that good and have earned it "put them and their "own" prize money in one separate class."

Great idea just as soon as you tell all of us where their own money will come from??????????

Bob Lawless

Back in my day of high stakes pool playing we called 'em "suckers". You know, the guys who practiced 'till they wore callouses but always donated their weekly grocery money to the better players!!

Was the guy that won the 100K also a pro ?

Had to have been, He won....

Silly talk Shannon. The guy was a "salt of the earth" trapshooter who probably had a real job other than Trapshooting. Good for him!!

Congrats to Leo and all the winners, they all deserve it. However, I do understand the point that is being made here. If you won a championship and made a big amount of money out of it, you are no longer an amateur but a PRO, and you should no longer compete with the amateurs. Check poker championship and other "Sports" once you are competing for a big amount you are no longer an amateur. just my 2 cents,

So if a 20yrd handicap shooter wins the 100K, he is now a pro?

My comment about the IRS and Harry Reid was meant as an attempt at humor. I'm well aware of the 1099 requirement.

What I was also attempting to say was that if Leo and Karla wanted to discuss their finances in public, that was their decision. Personally, I did not think it was any of my business; nor was I curious enough to try to find it.

I too hold Leo in high regard. He's a true credit to the sport.

Gene Batchelar Wheaton, IL

Hey TRON , Eat your heart out!!! I just trolled in 4682 hits in 24 hours,This must be a new record !!PJ

Don't take this wrong, I'm just curious. Did Mike Obert take a 2 yard reduction last year?

I know everyone says he is a great guy and I don't dispute it. Nor do I hold it against him if he took the 2 yards, most people did.

I see he had an 86-87 average in 2010, 2011, and 2012.

Shannon391, No he wasn't a pro but ( if your aren't a 27 yarder) your a Sandbaggers. In my experience this is how it is: one can be the worst shot in the entire world, but if that shooter has one good day in the sun and wins anything, oh and the bigger the prize the Bigger the Sand Bagger. But let me point out the the people saying Sand Bagger looked in a mirror. Also jealousy plays a big part

shanon391, no the 20 yards line shooter is not a pro, but when he gets to the 27 yards line and is still winning, than yes he is a pro, unless as said above he is sandbagging. It is not hard to compete and stay shy of the 27 yards line if somebody wants to sand bag.

This topic drives me nuts!(I know, short drive) How many honorary punches from the 27 do you get before you are beating the system? One, five , ten or more. The handicap system works as is up to the 27 yard. Then it fails after even one single honorary punch is earned!! Maybe a nice pin from the ata with PRO as the honor awarded with pin for the rest of the target year. And you are restricted on some of the $$$$ options like the lewis as one example. Maybe the pros then could be identified , honored and able to enter a pro's purse(high dollar entry with big payout).

Lets get some more ideas out there, the ata seems to be willing to try some new stuff. Kirk

The kid that won last year was real happy to take all the "Pro's" money.

Leo, Took home exactly what he earned, no more, no less as did other shooters who reaped rewards from their hard work and determination.........................

Hey! Andy, 9 ball off the 5 two rails in the corner of course...

Surfer

Heh surfer, 8 ball in the corner-clean-of course!!

Andy, I think you put to much english on the cue ball sometimes and that's why you drift off the pocket, it's all about stop and draw...............

Surfer

Don't forget to chalk up. HMB

"When a golfer wins a tournement the prize money he wins is made public. The sport seems to be doing very well. Why would you want to keep trap shooting prize money won by the shooters a secret. If made public maybe attendence would increase. HMB"

Why is it everytime there is a discussion/argument over something concerning Trap someone has to try and interject golf into the mix in an attempt to make a comparison?? The sports are not even remotely close to being alike. The money won in golf is not from playing options. The similarities are so few there is no use in mentioning. Just Say'n......

The point is there is no comparison at this time. Maybe if we followed their lead we might be successful in improving our games popularity. Just Say'n.....HMB

Nah surfer, center cue and getting my stroke back. Great position-short shot-no need to draw!!

HMb We are not a nationally sponsored viewer friendly sport and will never will be, we have no draw. We are a fringe sport who appeals to a small select audience of enthusiasts.

Regarding following golfs lead, golf like trap is struggling to maintain and grow participants and like trap, golf is trying to find a solution to increase participation and this time has had little success.

Money in trap is one component of the game and is there for those who wish participate, but is not the driving force as the Martin's have found.

Surfer

Surfer, Trap is a fringe sport? Didn't you watch the trap shooting in the Olympics? Nationally sponsered, don't you think?

Golf is struggling? Try turning on the Golf Channel or CBS on the weekend. HMB

HMB, You better read golf's industry news, I think you would gain a better overview. The pro circuit is not driving sales as it did. I believe it was in one of last season's Under Cover Boss TV program who's boss was in the golf industry and was riding the downturn. He, like others were hanging his hat on youth as a way to revitalize a sagging industry, sound familure? As long as Mommy and Daddy foot the bill for thier children, life's good for the manufacturers but then it ends when Bobby or Sally have to pay their own way.

NBC network stations did a crappy job covering Oylimpic shooting sports, slotting them in early morning hours using shooting as a filler so they can claim complete coverage. Even in the L.A. market they were weak until home grown girl Kim won gold setting an Olympic record did they give just due to her and the sport.

Clay sooting as a spectator sport has no commerical draw for mainstream media, it's a fact, accept it and just enjoy participating

Surfer