KennyRay, I believe you can find all the facts & numbers beginning on page 48 of the #19 edition of the Trapshooters USA magazine (if you don't have a copy you can read on line by going to their web site).......ATA Headquarters moves to Sparta. That's where the $80,000 number comes from along with some other interesting facts about the ATA rental agreement with the city of Dayton.

Thank you Hunter44. I don't subscribe to that magazine but will try to get the article.

Is there an ATA official statement regarding this information in Trap & Field, the official ATA magaizne? If so, I must have overlooked it.

Kindest regards,

Kenny Ray

Kenny, I don't think anything was ever in Trap & Field. It's a rather long explanation of the move in Trapshooting USA.......you can go to their website & read the whole magazine online.

Go to the above and scroll to page 48 as Hunter says.

Oh crap, I heard this was to be the year of "TRANSPARENCY" for this past season !!!

Yesiree, can't get the straight dope OUT IN THE OPEN !!! All you hear is: "send an email" to get an answer...

I'm Pi**ed as he**, (can you tell ?) and damned glad I won't be shooting much ATA any more...I'm buying myself a boat, and going fishing next season.

They can go screw the members all they want. Wait til the "Real" truth comes forward...I have NO idea what the real truth is, but someone in the real "know" will come forward with that information to the membership someday.

Until then, enjoy the half truths.

Thanks Kenny Ray for that information..I "Believe" this because you are an upstanding individual who also speaks your piece no matter what.

Matt,

Are you telling me or us that there is a $100,000 building in Sparta ..? They could of bought a house for $50,000 and worked out of it, used the bedrooms for private offices ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

Buying an old house would have been a good option in Dayton, would have saved lots of money......did anyone even take time to read the story on the move or is the ATA hate too deep?

KennyRay:

Certainly don't know anything you don't, but my guess is that there is more to it than just the costs of the building itself included in that $80,000 vandalia figure. In Glatz's letter from several years ago he mentioned that the occupancy cost of the Vandalia building was about $50,000, but that total occupancy costs there were closer to $100,000 at that time, as I recall.

Are all of the costs of the land involved in the lead reclamation finished, or might there be some costs still there?

The article pretty much sums up the details of the move, cost, employees, and what we truly need for the ATA. I looked at the property and everything. This is a great location and the building is a great place for the ATA Headquarters. It is the right size and has a lot of potential for years to come. Thanks to Trap Shooting USA for a great article to inform the members.

A house is probably cheaper but what is a house for. You have zoning issues, remodeling issues, along with problem after problem. We needed a professional and reputable location to do business.

Anyone that has a business in todays economy knows that restructuring, resizing, and expansion is a must to survive for the next few years let alone the next twenty or fifty. We are very fortunate to have a shooting facility such as this and have some money that we can purchase our Headquarters outright without paying on leases with nothing to show. I don't know but, seems like a smart business decision and move to me.

I believe we are heading in the right direction. Give it sometime and see what happens.

James Hammond

California Delegate

Mr. Luckett forgot to add that the reserved parking for the delegates at Sparta is closer to the public locker room then it is to the delegates locker room and normally you can find a parking space closer to the public locker room than the reserved stalls. That is why I usually rent a locker rather then use the one in the delegates locker room. Elton Miyagawa, HI Delegate

Thanks hunter44 and RickN:

Interesting article for sure.

Wonder why the City of Dayton was pushing "eminent domain" but would not allow a waiver of the lease termination? Just doesn't seem like the friendly thing to do after all those years. And, there was no need for "eminent domain" since either party could decide not to renew with 1 year's notice.

I understood the article to say that no lease extensions were discussed with the city of Dayton. It was reported some years ago that the ATA was given a lease agreement to 2017. One would think that if Dayton wanted the building vacated, there would have been some discussion initiated to that point.

The article raises more questions for me and I would still like to see the break-down of the $80k expenses. Oh well, I guess its not that important anyway.

Thanks again,

Kenny Ray Estes Pittsgrove, NJ ATA# 88-00249

Good point 870,

I was informed some time ago that during the lead reclamation period, the ATA was paying taxes on about 86 acres rumored to be over $60,000 for property taxes alone. Upon completion of the lead cleanup, annual tax burden went down to about $7,000 on 2 3/4 acres.

The ATA has paid the city of Dayton alot of money since 2005 and that's why it seems hard to understand them playing hard ball.

hunter44,

Not sure if you were thinking of me in your comment about "is the ATA hate too deep" but I can assure you, I'm not a hater. I care very much for our organization and feel it is totally proper and a duty for members to ask questions of our officials. I have no problem with the move or purchase of the new office as long as it was done properly. A delegate told me the ATA seemed reluctant to provide the name of the owner of the Sparta building, naming an LLC instead. We both didn't understand the reluctance. He did get an answer to his question though.

I just happen to think the move may have been a bit hurried and I only asked for some clarity in the reasons given for the move. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Kenny Ray Estes Life Member 88-00249

No, Kenny, not you. I know that you have invested a lot into our sport....the ones that give me a tired ass are those who never have a positive thing to say, just run down the organization every chance they see.......they know who they are & you are certainly not one of them. Thank you for all that you have done!

hunter44,

Thank you for the kind words sir.

Sometimes I think I care a bit too much. I'll do all I can to support the ATA and THOF.

Just did a quick Zillow research on the property the ATA just purchased. According to Zillow, rent should be around $ 894/mo with the selling price around $55133.oo and that was dated 8/27/12. That is off the Zillow home page, guessing their numbers are incorrect if the ATA is renting for $2500/mo and purchase option for $100k. Guessing it was just luck the property was owned by an ATA "mystery" member...

Paul H Imperial, PA

pashooter, what did your "research" tell you that the ATA should have been paying for rent at the old building at Dayton for all these years?

Who's reaping a profit leasing to the ATA at overcharge rates?

Sounds normal...

Sorry Hunter, don't mean to ruffle anyone...was just curious about the real estate values in the Sparta area so I checked that site which I have used in the past.

Paul H Imperial, PA

No "ruffle" just wondered what you had found about the comparision in rent equity now compared to when the offices were in Ohio.

Who the heck is "Zillow" and why in the heck should we give a rats behind what they said?

Look, if they rented for one year at $30,000/year and then buy it for $100,000, that's $130,000 in to the building. At the stated rate of $80,000/year on the Dayton building, this purchase seems like a hell of a deal to me. In less than two years they will outright own the building in Sparta for $130,000 where two years at Dayton was $160,000 and we didn't own jack squat. Don't know what math y'all are using but seems we will be money ahead in no time. Of course like everything else the ATA does we have to have the ts.com accountants sort it all out and nit-pick the crap out of it.

I can't wait to hear who the mystery ATA member is that bought the Sparta building and leasing it to ATA. No other comments at this time. Tom

Don't know that much about that field Hunter, just was curious about the Sparta area and prices so I looked it up. BTW, pleasure shooting the Caps with you Grand Week, good squad!!

Paul H Imperial, PA

Geez, this was available in Sparta for only $19,900!!...

Hunter, it may all be fine and on the up & up. But it's all this backroom, unnamed buyer, high rent bullcrap that stirs up the membership. I spent my $3500 or so to attend Grand week and shoot all the events, and that entitles me to NOTHING as far as information goes. But, my $20 membership should be good for a few answers to questions about OUR organization. I will take this up with my delegate. Harv Shell 01-11535. I didn't catch your name?

Go for it Harv. Let us know what you learn.