It's a cute gimmick but I don't see any meaningful difference between hanging the vision blocker off the gun or hanging off my lens...except the price!

Keller

eightbore, What does the XDS do differently than a small piece of tape or dot?

1)The DOT is placed on the glasses, very CLOSE to the shooter's eye!

-the role of the dot is to BLOCK the dominat eye to see the barrel and the target,once the gun mounted. As a result, your vision is cut down from BINOCULAR vision to MONOCULAR vision (ONE EYE) with its downsides on reading correctly the dinstance, angle and speed of the bird.

The monocular vision can cause visual errors especially when we shoot upon moving targets On many peoples, the dot is causing side effects like headache, fatigue etc.

2)The XDS device is placed in FRONT and BETWEEN the shooter's eyes on the trigger guard.

Due to this placement, the XD solution does not blocks the master eye,only limits its posibility to see the gun's barrel.

In the same time allows the master eye to see the target even after the gun was mounted.

Because of this placement,the XDS in not a BLOCKER, like the dot,tape or patch,but a SEMI BLOCKER.

The gun target relationship is realized using two eyes, instead of one, when using the dot, tape, patch.

As a result the cross dominate or cross firing shooter can shoot from his handedness side participating in the shooting action with full visual capacity,like any other " regular" guy that shoots with binocular vision.

My respect for anyone using a dot or tape and my satisfaction that the XDS,can keep shooting those who can't wink,wear a tape or dot,B/C they encounter eye fatigue, headache or body balance disorder

The XDS is for all and is a step forward in solving cross dominant eye and cross firing problems!

"...MONOCULAR vision (ONE EYE) with its downsides on reading correctly the dinstance, angle and speed of the bird..."

• Distance: it's not like I have to correct my point of aim for distance to a trap target. I know how far I am from the trap and I know the target won't travel for than about 50 yards away from that. Why do I even need to worry about being able to determine the target's exact distance?

• Angle: please explain how using only one eye interferes with my ability to determine the target's angle as it goes away from me? The target isn't far enough away from me for it to matter.

• Speed: the speed of a singles target needs to be between 42-43 mph leaving the house to get the required distance. Why do I have to read anything if I know what the speed is set at?

I've got an 18" circle of shot moving at about 800 fps intercepting a 4" target moving at about 50 fps. Complicated ballistic calculations are hardly necessary. If monocular vision was a handicap to accurate shooting, people with rifles wouldn't be able to hit a thing!

Keller

Targetchip, the dot, properly applied, is meant to block the view of the barrel by the off eye, both eyes retaining a full view of the target. It is a difficult concept to grasp, since even the seller of the new device apparently doesn't understand the use of the dot, judging from his earlier post.

Unknown, Before I answer to you, please read this:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110819222355AAQhdJd

eightbore, Unfortunately having a dot placed close to our eye on the pupil, on our eye axis, will cut the binocular vision to monocular vision.

The eyes axises are working together to focus on an object on the distance. If you have a blocker on one eye that means that eye is not participating on the focusing process. We are not chameleons to look around the dot! The remaining visual field after the dot was placed, is peripheral and do not participate on the gun-target relationship.

The difference between the dot and the XDS is that the XDS is placed couple inches in FRONT of our eyes and BETWEEN the eyes, so is not a blocker is a semi blocker. It will block the dominant eye to see the barrel but it will let it to participate in the gun target relationship. As a result, using an XDS will not cut your binocular vision and a person with cross dominance or cross firing can shoot from his handedness side,both eyes open

An other thing is that having an XDS liberates your eyes and the light can reach both of your eyes!In two words: Eyes comfort! Many can't wear glasses with dots and tapes b/c of headaches and eye fatigue. The option is yours!

I just received mine in the mail and will install it and hopefully try it out this weekend...

As soon as I can, I'll write "my personal appraisal"...

Curt

As stated above they did send me one to test. I have 3-4 "problem" shooters that will give it a try.

Now just need the temp and wind to cooperate so we can shoot.

I have not been able to shoot for 6 months but hope to try it in about 2 weeks.

Phil

grnberecj, good luck!

Phil, thank you for your time to try the XDS!

Just info.

I won a couple trophies at the Dixie Grand. In the Class Championship Doubles I was AA Runner-up and took Veteran Runner-up in the Handicap Championship. I used the blocker in 1 1/2 handicap events.

I knew I was cross-firing a lot. I hit the back 49 in caps one day without the blocker on and some ok. scores but always had a bad trap. I did hit a couple 99's and a 100 once in 16's, lots of 48's in doubles but was not putting good rounds together cross firing a lot. I seen Robert Blackburn win a couple of handicap trophies with his xd unit on so I gave my homemade model of the xd solution a try after the spare one he had would not fit on my gun. I just used my unit a bit at handicap near the end of the week but I was impressed with the results. In the last two rounds of handicap from 27 yards I ran the last 50 on Friday's handicap and hit a 95 on Sunday's 21-25-24-25. I only used it for 9 rounds from 27 yards counting a shootoff they were 25-25 (24 prac) 21-25-24-25 (24-22 shootoff) The results are preliminary but it really has my attention.

My left eye became quite dominant over the last 3 years. I see two barrels with two eyes open just like the web site explains. The one I see best is not the real one. It really seemed easy and much better than a patch. I liked it at handicap and think if you have that problem it is worth trying one.

I have no experience with it at singles or doubles. Terry.

On August 29th I wrote: "I again must agree with Joe on the terminology. When you say "ON Shoulder Eye" and "Off Shoulder Eye" I know exactly what you mean but dominate and not dominate has no meaning only confusion for me. Again I have an intermittent not consistent crossfiring problem, but I shoot right handed and my right eye has always been dominate."

The only reason that I do not always wear the tape patch is that my style for the last 55 years has been to hold a high gun over the trap house and I can't do that with the tape patch because my vision is blocked out by the gun barrel. I can't understand how this XD Solution gadget would be any different. You said that with this gadget both eyes will see the target but not the gun: I don't believe this is possible, it sounds like the gadget will wipe out at least as much field of view as the tape patch. I believe in Phil Kiner's video where he said that the problem in crossfiring is not that the wrong eye sees the front bead but that the wrong eye sees the target and locks on it. As Keller pointed out long ago this will still be the problem if as you claim both eyes will see the the target. I still applaud your attempt to find a FIX but I find major discrepancies in your logic and please use the terms Off Shoulder eye and On Shoulder eye instead of Dominate and Non-Dominate.

miketmx -the "on shoulder eye" is the eye that is line up with the barrel, -the "off shoulder eye" is the other eye.

An other term is Master eye( dominant eye), the eye that "leads" your vision and you can find it out by doing the master eye test.

When "the on shoulder eye" is your Master eye and match your handedness that means you are you are right handed, right Master eye( dominant) person or left handed, left Master eye( dominant) When the handedness is not on the same side with your Master eye, that means you are " cross dominant" !

you said: "I can't understand how this XD Solution gadget would be any different. You said that with this gadget both eyes will see the target but not the gun: I don't believe this is possible, it sounds like the gadget will wipe out at least as much field of view as the tape patch."

Here are differences:

The difference between the dot and the XDS is that the XDS is placed couple inches in FRONT of our eyes and BETWEEN the eyes, so is not a blocker is a semi blocker. It will block the dominant eye to see the barrel but it will let it to participate in the gun target relationship. As a result, using an XDS will not cut your binocular vision(two eyes) and a person with cross dominance or cross firing can shoot from his handedness side,both eyes open

you said:

. "I believe in Phil Kiner's video where he said that the problem in crossfiring is not that the wrong eye sees the front bead but that the wrong eye sees the target and locks on it." He is right but we have to explain what he means!

The crossfiring occurs when "the off shoulder eye" wants to take over the "aiming" or pointing process. The crossfiring happens for many resons but more often, when the Master eye get weak or is tired. How the crossfiring happens, well, the off shoulder eye" wands to "beat" the weak master eye and line up with the barrel to take control. Because of that the visual gun-target relationship is not the right one like when the master eye is doing the job.

The XDS won't let the Off shoulder eye" to take over, by limiting its possibility to see the barrels and the bead, but in same time keeping its possibility to see the target!

How the XDS does that? Remember its position, in front and between of the shooter's eyes!

The picture on the website is significant!

Congratulation to 9905030,Robert Blackburn , using the XDS is the WINNER of the Handicap championship , Sub Veteran class at the 2013 Dixie shoot in Florida and placed fourth on the Tuesday preliminary!!

I need one to try for a local shooter who shoots a K-80. My email was unanswered. Which one is recommended as best??

"The only reason that I do not always wear the tape patch is that my style for the last 55 years has been to hold a high gun over the trap house and I can't do that with the tape patch because my vision is blocked out by the gun barrel."

Yes, the targets come out from under the barrel but...and here's the important part...they appear to be moving much more slowly than they did when I was married to the edge of the house roof. It is SO much easier to get an eye lock on the targets than it was before; they just show up floating along...and this is with a piece of black cloth hockey tape on my left lens. It took me no time to adapt to the higher hold once I got my 1000-yard stare fine tuned.

Keller

oleolliedawg,

if you sent the picture of the K-80, then we got it and the order is in progress

How many of you can't wear a tape, dot,patch or wink and what is the outcome of wearing one of these? Do you encounter headache, eye fatigue, body balance disorder or spacial orientation?

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever wearing a patch of tape on my off shoulder lens. As I said on my other post I cannot hold as high over the trap house as I would without the patch but the patch certainly prevents the dastardly crossfire. I don't see how a person could hold a high gun over the trap house with your gadget either. I said before that I use a hooded fiber optic front bead that my Off shoulder eye can't see for trapshooting and I carry a spare left lens with a tape patch in my shooting bag just in case. I read your criticism of the rib blinders and the tape patch and frankly I am not impressed. You should tell Kay Ohye and Debbie to throw away their rib blinders and you should tell Harlan Campbell that his HiViz fiber optic bead is bad for him.

Mike , you said: " I don't see how a person could hold a high gun over the trap house with your gadget either"

Please do the following test, when you are at the range:

Mount the gun on your handedness side and raise your leading hand thumb. You will notice that the gun will line up with your non dominant eye(the on shoulder eye) on the side of your handedness and the double barrel image will disappear. Having the thumb raised, aim the gun at an object in the distance. Close the non dominant eye( the on shoulder eye), on your handedness side. You will see the object with the dominant eye(Master eye, or off shoulder eye) but not the barrel.

The XDS will do the same thing but compared to the patch or dot, your eyes are free of any blocker,you get light on both of your eyes and you can use both of your eyes to establish the gun- target relationship.

If works for champions should works for you too.

I refreshed the other thread with the very useful Youtube video by Dr. Rich Colo that explains an alternative method for establishing eye dominance. On this thread I wrote on November 5, 2012 the following:

"Eye dominance is not always a black and white yes or no thing but can be shades of gray and some people have no consistent dominate eye. I am right handed and right eye dominate but I can and do occasionally crossfire when my left eye takes control. I too am unable to close only my right eye without closing both eyes. I use a Uni-Dot hooded fiber optic front bead and it helps. When trapshooting and I'm really struggling with the crossfire I resort to the tape patch on my off shoulder eye lens. I always use the tape patch when I'm bird hunting."

Andrei, I followed your instructions on your last post (ignoring the backward use of the terms dominate and not dominate) and with a little help from my wife to cover my right eye on command because I am unable to close it without closing both eyes, I proved conclusively that if I were to use the XDS gadget I would NOT be able to hold a high gun over the trap house because my leading hand thumb would block the view from my left eye of the emerging clay target. I would have to wait for the target to rise above the barrel for my right eye to see it. I believe that your occluder would work for a cross dominate shooter the same way as the tape patch which incidently is made from translucent scotch tape and lets in plenty of light.

Mike, please do the test in the shooting range by placing a target on the trap house.

If you can't close the on shoulder eye, put a tape on your glasses to block it.

I'm sure you will see the target with the off shoulder eye.

The XDS kit has blades with different dimensions,b/c not everybody is the same.

regarding this: "if I were to use the XDS gadget I would NOT be able to hold a high gun over the trap house because my leading hand thumb would block the view from my left eye of the emerging clay target. I would have to wait for the target to rise above the barrel for my right eye to see it."

The XDS on the gun has nothing to do with your gun holding point!

If you hold the gun low you will see the target earlier,if you hold the gun higher a little bit late, until the target passes your barrel.

You have a tape on your glasses b/c on crosfiring not b/c of your holding point, which are two different animals!

You can't relate crossfiring to holding point, it doesn't make sense. Good luck.!

Once the device is in the hands of some shooters, which should be soon, we will start getting the "proof of the pudding" rather than a bunch of speculation which seems to be the rule up to this point. I should have mine in the next few days and I look forward to it. For the price I think a person would be foolish not to try it. Targetchip, I commend you for answering every question and reaction that has been put forward by those who have not tried it. It is obvious that you believe in your product and are just not in in it for a buck. That goes a long way in my book. Spending less than $50 and giving it a try makes a hell of a lot more sense than wasting a year and a half trying to shoot left handed as I did a couple of years ago. Boy was that a waste of time and money. Thanks for your enthusiasm. Rich Strickland

I have 35 years of coaching and I know how much pain can some encounter switching shoulders. I advocate that solution but not everybody succeeded and even some quit shooting.

Many of them can't wink, wear a dot,tape or patch.

The XDS can be a big help on solving all these problems.

I got mine today and mounted it up. Hope to have a preliminary report tomorrow. Rich

My first trial of the XD was pretty much a disappointment today. Shot 75 rounds, first 25 was a disaster, 2nd 25 hit maybe 18, 3rd 25 hit maybe 20. I carefully followed the instructions setting it up yesterday and tinkered a little bit after the dismal first 25. I had the feeling that my vision of the target was restricted. Maybe there is a learning curve. I am not ready to give it up but at this point is definitely not an improvement over the dime size tape on my left lens. Richard Strickland, Yuma, AZ

Richard, thank you for your answer.

If you have shot many years having a dot on your glasses," liberating" your eyes could be a different visual perception which you encounter, once you took off the dot. How you said, it is a learning curve but the outcome should take you to better result.. Please check if you have picked up the right blade,which allow you to see the target with both eyes.(180 degree peripheral vision)I consider that after 3 boxes of shells it is not enough to take a conclusion, especially that you have changed your vision from one eye to two.

Let us know about your progress.!

I just got this from Robert Blackburn(9905030):

"I thought I should drop you a note to let you know I turned a lot of heads at the Dixie Grand with the xd solution. I was in a shootoff with 95 in handicap on Friday and then in the main event Handicap on Sunday I shot a 97 to win subvet category. I must say I was very pleased with my handicap shooting. I ran one hundred in singles but I couldn’t sustain it. Still more work on my part."