Maybe ask Stacey for credit at another shoot like Utahyork suggested above, she may give you all or part and thats better than nothing. Give a call and see. Scott

Lyle, I think your reason for not attending the Vernal shoot, after you paid your entry in full, was a reasonable request for the club to return your entry fees paid. Did you let the club know you were not coming before the events and options where completed? Also, I hope your son had a speedy recovery from the emergency operation in the ICU. Priorities First, We need to take care of 'our own'. Tom

Not taking sides I did shoot Vernal a few years ago and was told that they only have space for a limited number of shooters with the traps they have at the club. I called Stacey and asked if there was a opening I wanted to drive down and shoot the event a 6 hour drive. she took my phone number and said she would call me back. Stacey called me an hour later and said she found a opening in a squad and to send her a check right away as the shoot was booked solid. I sent the check and had a wonderful experience. I mention this as I an glad your son is OK first and most important. How ever someone that wanted to shoot the event was shut out because of your reservation. Should they make an exception for your unfortunate emergency after stating clearly no refunds. I think not because it would not be fair to other shooters who paid and did not attend. I understand your feelings over the loss of the money and that you feel this is an exception but I do not agree with your method of using TS as a venue for your displeasure. I am almost positive that the Martins do not need you shoot fees I will not defend Stacey or the Martins and Vernal trap club it is not necessary you are most likely a nice man doing yourself an injustice. There I said how I feel just like you did it is after all our right. Buddy Walters Time heals all wounds

I agree with Lyle. How long does it take to write a check?

Not popular opinion, obviously, but common sense and taking care of each other in times of need should prevail.

Practically, there are tax considerations when giving money to the ATA. Since the federal tax rates for next year are unknown any donor may be holding back to make a decision.

What is all the talk about a refund. Wrong thread?

Well ???

TRUTH ???

Or is Dean Townsend guilty of spreading "Rumors" ?????

With all the rumors facing the ATA lately, we should know for sure if this is true before jumping the gun.

shotgunpeople, all my sources say it's so but who knows what truth is with the ATA? Brad

Bull S--t ! Sources? I just spent two weeks working fron 8 to 5 classifying shooters with Dean and no Dean does not start rumors.Funny thing that during the EC. CHC meeting that none of the EC was aware of this.Brad just keeping poking the ATA and we will keep having a wonderful time at Sparta with out you. I just had two great weeks at a great run shoot and it really seemed every one else I saw was also having a Grand time.

Also I'll take any bet that even though the Martins have been great, we will have a Grand in 2013 with or without their money and we will always be thankfull for their help.

Untill you hear it from the Martins mouth it is just that; Rumor. And Brad I know the TRUTH with the ATA!!Its all public record.Just ask!

Terry Dean CHC Ky. Delegate

As long as Big Heap brought up tax considerations, I'll put my two cents in. The tax deduction for contributions to the ATA are limited to 30% of income. Any unused amount is carried over to the next 5 years. It may be that there is no tax benefit left. Just speculating.

Mr. Dean,

I'm NOT the one who said Mr. Townsend told this to anyone !

Just trying to find out an answer to this thread.

I agree with Brad and I'm sure there are many like me sitting on the sidelines trying to sort the facts from fiction out. Guess it doesn't matter any more anyway...I'll go and see my friends just the same.

We'll see if the EC knew or not in the future. Perhaps they "forgot" to mention it.

At least we know someone within the ATA reads these posts. I have heard "Rumors" that the ATA officials don't waste their time reading BS.COM

I think a lot read but most are smarter than me and don't post or arque with a faceless ,nameless people that just like to spread rumers or stir S--t about the ATA.

I think this site has it's place and was great when it first appeared! You could learn about shooting, find what you needed to shoot, where to shoot.

Now if you watch you will find a list of people you can count on two hands that all they do is stir the pot and it's always the same few. Not sure now weather this site is usefull at all anymore for promoting the sport many of us love!

Really a shame!!!!! TD

Come on guys. The Martins may very well not be planning on contributing $100,000's of thousands to the ATA again next year. They've already done plenty. Did anyone really think that was going to be a never-ending source of funds?

Making it sound like some kind of underhanded rumor is just more spin some of you are picking up, even though the original poster probably didn't mean to make it sound that way.

The rumor part of it is the posters that make it sound like it was the ATA's fault and the Martin's didn't like how the money was distributed. Maybe...maybe not, none of us know. I will say that I thought the Martins had directed how the money was to be distributed, but I don't have any inside info.