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hunters3 08-Aug-12 - 09:44 AM ET
paul7177 08-Aug-12 - 09:56 AM ET
warren 08-Aug-12 - 10:31 AM ET
jm1079 08-Aug-12 - 10:49 AM ET
Oregunner 08-Aug-12 - 11:24 AM ET
guinner16 08-Aug-12 - 11:49 AM ET
WJN 08-Aug-12 - 11:53 AM ET
Unknown1 08-Aug-12 - 12:41 PM ET
Oregunner 08-Aug-12 - 01:08 PM ET
miketmx 08-Aug-12 - 01:21 PM ET
ImpalaBob 08-Aug-12 - 01:31 PM ET
gdbabin 08-Aug-12 - 01:33 PM ET
Oregunner 08-Aug-12 - 01:46 PM ET
gdbabin 08-Aug-12 - 01:54 PM ET
Don Bailor 08-Aug-12 - 03:50 PM ET
EEB 08-Aug-12 - 04:40 PM ET
grntitan 08-Aug-12 - 06:01 PM ET
gdbabin 08-Aug-12 - 06:46 PM ET
GW22 08-Aug-12 - 07:15 PM ET
Big Jack 09-Aug-12 - 10:32 AM ET
4th. down 09-Aug-12 - 10:53 AM ET
darr 09-Aug-12 - 02:08 PM ET
shootsome 09-Aug-12 - 05:05 PM ET
1oldtimer 09-Aug-12 - 06:09 PM ET
gdbabin 09-Aug-12 - 06:16 PM ET


Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: hunters3
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 09:44 AM ET
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Does this work? I have been over many articles and it is up for debate. I am a right handed shooter for more than 30 year and find to find out I am left eye dominant.Could someone out there that has tried this let me know your results.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: paul7177
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 09:56 AM ET
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Yes, it works for me. Takes a little time to get used to.

It is certainly worth a try.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: warren
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 10:31 AM ET
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I think you should try it amoung all the other methods you can find. I have the same problem and nothing seems to help me except concentration and wearing a patch over my left eye at nite and the mourning just before I shoot. Phil Kiner knows more about this problem than anybody I know of.

warren

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: jm1079
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 10:49 AM ET
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A piece of scotch tape on my left lens works just like the magic dot for my left eye dominance. jm

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Oregunner
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 11:24 AM ET
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I have nondominant eyes, and shoot with a small piece of scotch tape on my left lense. Everything is in 3D except the bead on the end of my barrel. I shoot very successfully this way. Mark

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: guinner16
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 11:49 AM ET
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I tried the tape and magic dots for several months, with no luck. My scores went way down, and started to creep up, but were really bad. I decided to slam my left eye shut, and started shooting better right away.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: WJN
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 11:53 AM ET
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I tried the tape on my left lens with both eyes open and my focus seemed to dance all over the place. I had to go back to just shutting my left eye. If I use tape at all now it is just as a backup in case I blink open at the wrong time. Your mileage may vary.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Unknown1
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 12:41 PM ET
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Does it work?

Yes for some, no for others.

The purpose of the tape is to prevent the off eye from seeing the target, not from seeing the bead. The bead should not be an issue; you should not consciuosly see it anyway.

Did a Kiner clinic several years ago and shot with a guy who could see right through the dot, even if it was a piece of black tape. If there was ANY input to his off eye, his brain would create and display an image of the target through his left eye, even though he could not actually see the target that way.

Ended up covering the entire off lens with black cloth tape before he had any improvement.

Keller

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Oregunner
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:08 PM ET
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If the target isn't somewhere near the bead, you've got other problems to deal with. There is a bird/bead relationship. It is just what you focus on. If you are mounting the gun on your shoulder, there is no way that you cannot see the bead on the end of your barrel. Just don't look at it. Mark

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: miketmx
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:21 PM ET
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If the crossfire is your problem, Phil Kiner suggests that you do whatever it takes to solve the problem. You can start with a rib blinder or crossfire preventer hooded fiber optic front bead. If that is not enough then try larger and larger tape patches on your off shoulder eye lens or finally closing the offending eye completely.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: ImpalaBob
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:31 PM ET
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjYVKRe29B8

Easy Hit 5" fiber optic sight .... only the eye behind the rib can see the bead.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: gdbabin
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:33 PM ET
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I can tell Mark that you don't suffer from our debilitating condition. Our problem is not seeing the bird bead relationship; its seeing too damned many of them!

huntersTrip,

Occlude the left eye by any of the myriad of methods you can think of until you find what works for you. I'd start with scotch tape as it's cheap and easily experimented with for placement and degree of coverage.

My wife Boom-Boom closes her offending orbit. I use magic dots on my lens and keep both peepers open.

You can also use Chapstick to smear the left lens for experimentation without messing with the tape....

I tried all the end of your barrel gadgets, but none worked for me as well as the occlusion technique.

Mr. Kiner will be busy during the next week or three, but I know he is very motivated to help informally any who reach out to him with the cross eyed shooting disease.

Good Luck!

Guy Babin

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Oregunner
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:46 PM ET
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Guy, I do see two beads, if I don't have tape on my left lense. With my nondominant eyes, neither bead lines up with the target. I have to force my right eye to take over. A small scotch tape patch works for me. Mark

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: gdbabin
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 01:54 PM ET
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A fellow sufferer afterall!

I'm sure you'd agree that one-eyed shooters are the smartest and best looking shooters there are--even if our scores aren't always up to snuff.

Guy

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Don Bailor
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 03:50 PM ET
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used a magic dot for about 15 yrs and thousands of rds. it worked to get my first couple 100 straights, switched to tapeworks just as well just a little harder to adjust. make sure your head is in the correct shootin position so your eye does not see the bead ,this may take several adjustments. i've since gone to a hooded bead this yr and am really likeing that set up. good luck

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: EEB
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 04:40 PM ET
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Go to Office Depot and buy a packet of the opaque colored sticky dots used for filing. They come in clear plastic packaging. A couple hundred for less than $10 and they come in all shades to match your lens color. They work for me.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: grntitan
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 06:01 PM ET
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As recommended above, one of the Office Supply stores will have these. Cost about $7-$9 for two lifetime supplies. They are basically the same thing as the Browning Dots which are no longer made. Works for me.

Get the see through dots like I showed above. They allow light through but does not allow the offending eye to see the site.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: gdbabin
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 06:46 PM ET
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Chapstick works just as well until ye figures out where the occlusion needs 2 go. Not that the above aren't good suggestions.

Guy B.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: GW22
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Date: Wed, Aug 08, 2012 - 07:15 PM ET
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I buy my Magic Dot "systems" by the roll...

-Gary

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: Big Jack
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 10:32 AM ET
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Being a converted lefty with a right dominate eye, I can understand the problem. I tried dots. celophane tape, electrical tape, and finally resorted to black nail polish on the top half of the right lens. Tried shutting one eye but found I was squinting with the other and restricting my view of the target, and I ended up cheating and peeking. If I see any motion of target or barrel with the right eye, it takes over. Blocking out most of the right lens has worked for me. Both eyes are wide open but only one can see the target. Kiner suggested more tape was needed and this is probably an overkill but it works for me.

Big Jack

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: 4th. down
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 10:53 AM ET
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Magic Dot works for me - took about 200 rounds to get used to it. Now I never know it's there.

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: darr
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 02:08 PM ET
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I have been using tape or a magic dot since day 1 and it works for me.Make sure you use a large enough dot or piece of tape.If you get a hard angle your taped eye will try to look around the tape.Unfortunately my problem is deeper in my head than my eyes.I need a magic dot for my brain.

Darr

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: shootsome
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 05:05 PM ET
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People can tell you where to hold the gun, where to put your feet, where to hold the gun on your shoulder, etc, etc, etc but until someone can see what you're seeing they can't help you. Trap is a visual game. That's why lessons are a waste of money in my humble opinion. You have to figure out for yourself what you're seeing and make the adjustment. I took a lesson and the first time I missed a target, bang, tape was slapped on my left lens. This is not the cure all people for all people. After 10 years I figured out squinting the left eye worked much much better (slow learner).

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: 1oldtimer
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 06:09 PM ET
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To cope with the crossfire, I used to close my left eye for years. It worked but puts a strain on your open eye. When the magic dots came out,they were very inexpensive. I used them and they worked fine. When they went crazy with their price,I switched to translucient scotch type tape. I keep both eyes open to reduce any strain. My brain does not realize one eye does not see. It may take a little adjusting to get the tape in the proper position. It works for me,try it. Clyde

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Subject: Magic dot eye system
From: gdbabin
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Date: Thu, Aug 09, 2012 - 06:16 PM ET
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I guess we could gouge out the offending peeper... surely we wouldn't have to worry about it any more.

Did anyone see that episode of HBO's Deadwood when Swearengen's man Dan Dority plucked the eyeball out of Hearst's champion's head? If not Deadwood is mandatory must entertainment.

I only recommend the eye removal technique for those ABSOLUTELY certiian they know which eye is the offender!

Guy B.

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