Do I care if two dudes want to get naked and roll around on the bearskin rug? Not really. But "Gay Marriage" isn't about that.

On the Chick-Fil-A thread, Tinman88 said,

"Keep in mind this is about changing the MEANING of a word established in every culture in every dictionary since we invented ink.

Call the arrangement any word you create to denote the act. The word 'MARRIAGE' has already been taken."

That was an extremely cogent point.

"Gay Marriage" is not about rights, or discrimination, or benefits or the ability to visit your partner in the hospital -- all these issues can be legally addressed using the terms Civil Union, Partner's Rights or whatever gay people choose to call it. But they specifically choose to target the word "marriage." Why? Exactly why Tinman said -- because they are cleverly trying to redefine the word and dilute its well established meaning. So who cares? It's just a word, right? WRONG. The word "Marriage" has long helped define the culture and core values of successful, civilized societies.

EXAMPLE: Remember when you were a kid and the word "family" meant one thing in every segment of American society? Now, to different segments of America, it means any number of things. In much of African-American culture, for example, the word "family" has come to mean, in part, "father optional." More than 70% of African-American kids are born out of wedlock. Tragically, many of those kids rarely if ever see the sperm donor. How is that working out for them?

Americans better wise-up, because the ongoing erosion or outright abandonment of the basic principles that made America great, such as family, marriage, self-sufficient hard work, limited government, liberty, individualism, and privacy rights is not going to bode well for our kids' and grandkids' futures.

-Gary

PS to the dummies: Again, I'm not anti-gay. I actually lean Libertarian and I'm pretty indifferent about private, closed-door behavior among consenting adults. In fact, I'm quite supportive of ridiculously hot, angry lesbians like Portia de Rossi.

She should pull that shirt down just a bit - really ugly navel.

rm

That's not an ugly navel, Silly. Ellen Degeneres' tongue ring fell off.

Nonetheless, as you wish...

-Gary

What the gays, who have gained so much over the last few decades, don't understand is that the radicals among them are destroying the very thing that made their acceptance possible. In the act of destroying marriage, which is part of the larger agenda, the radical gays are also destroying western civilization. Wanna see how gays fare in non-western cultures, cultures that don't operate on western standards of civilization? Look at the middle east. Once western civilization in America has been replaced with Godless totalitarianism probably of the Muslim kind, the gays will be hunted down and and exterminated. It was never acceptance the radical gays wanted. It was destruction of western civilization, and when they have achieved that goal they will be exterminated - all of them.

I just rented my home to a gay guy who is nice as can be.

Does his lease include a rider?

-Gary :P

So much attention given to an evolutionary dead end.

Their numbers have increased because of an intensive recruiting campaign and the liberal madness.

When I was a child they sent them to jail. They also sent a guy to jail for living with a woman he was not married to. The law was "Illegal cohabitation". There were a lot of "premature" births too. Sometimes a girl got pregnant and went to visit Aunt Susie for a semester.

Of course that was just the uneducated populace that won World War 2, What did they know?

HM

Another interesting thing about gay people is that they don't seem to have a sense of humor about the hilariousness of the physical part of their twisted little "hobby."

I mean, think about it for a second. Imagine two lesbians toiling away toward a goal that, for many women, is a difficult project in the first place -- and neither of them possessing the tool originally invented for the job.

And the guys? They've got twice the number of tools required, and they're both working on the wrong end of the project.

-Gary

You people are sick, sick, sick-- ROFLMAO

Yes, John, Gary is truly a cunning linguist.

Oh, that was baaaaddd.

Veeeeeeeerrrrrrrrryyyyyyyy BAD!!! : )))

My understanding of marriage from its legal status in the USA is this:

Marriage is a contract, but it is different from other contracts. Marriage is a 3 way contract. The standard 2 way contract, if the two parties decide to cancel the contract, they can just tear it up and it is gone.

In marriage though, you cannot cancel the contract with just the two individuals concerned, if they want to divorce. In this contract, there is a third party. That third party is the government that legally recognizes that union. The government, the third party also has to agree to the divorce and set the terms of it.

Now why is that? The reason is that children can be produced as a result of marriage, and children are not recognized as being able to fend for themselves. A marriage between a man and a woman can produce children. If that marriage is deemed to be ended, then who is going to take care of the children? This is why the society, the government, has stepped in with this three way contract. It is to protect the children. So this is the legal basis of marriage, it is all predicated on the two people entering into marriage are able to produce children.

There is no way two homosexuals can produce children from their union. To begin with, they have to be crazy to want to have a third party being able to veto their divorce. They got to be crazy to set themselves up for alimony. Barney Frank can get plugged by her boy friend 10 times a week and this person is not going to give birth as a result. There is no reason whatever for society to be recognizing this contract between Barney and her stud friend.

Now whether or not a gay couple, or single person can adopt children is another matter entirely, and has nothing to do with marriage. You can let gay people adopt children, and hold them accountable for their support. You can let a single person adopt and hold that person accountable for support of the child, but this has nothing to do with a union between two people that are capable of producing children.

You want baaad: The Govt. spent money to do a study on what makes men gay. Out of all the responses, 85% of them said they were born that way and the other 15% said they just got sucked into it.

Since Hacker mentioned gay adoption, I'll share a related incident from when my wife and I adopted a baby. During the mandatory pre-adoption classes a couple of gay dudes who were adopting asked if they needed to take an HIV test before getting the baby. The lady from the adoption agency told them no - having HIV was not an issue at all - even if one of them actually had it. But when the same agency came over to my house to conduct the required Home Study, they wanted proof that my dog had gotten all its shots. LOL. What a world.

-Gary

What Gay couples want is ACCEPTANCE by normal society. Total ACCEPTANCE into society as a normal life style. Everything else is a ruse. If one wants to accept that life style---great. But, no matter how you slice and dice it, the gay life style is not normal. I repeat not normal.

God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. Nuff said.....

Thank you 410 for getting to the heart of the matter. You have it nailed. Bill

We had a referendem vote here a couple of years ago to define marriage as between one man and one woman. Passed with flying colors. Enough said.

I wanted to end this with something completely tasteless and off color,but you guys all beat me to it. Outstanding work!

Notice the words "one man one woman" since this issue about homo's being legally married is being recognized in some states. What's to stop 1 homo from now taking on 2 or more legal partners in the so called marriage? What about Mormons, will thay be able to pratice polygamy once again?

Toolmaker hit it on the head. That is the disgusting slippery slope this will slide down eventually. They all say no, but we know better. The first wierdo to show up at the courthouse with two disgusting occupy women, and one sheep will have an ACLU lawyer with him.

today gay marriage. tomorrow transgender marriage. later on transspecies marriage.

I think one needs to recognize the difference between the run of the mill gay and the radicals leading the movement. The run of the mill gay wants acceptance. The radicals who lead the movement the run of the mill gay blindly follows wants destruction of the existing order and himself sitting in total control of everything and everyone. When they have achieved their agenda all straights will bow the knee to them. We will live in fear as they control every facet of our lives including our children. If you think that isn't true look at how the public school system has already become an indoctrination center in which the leftist agenda and a Godless version of "good" is taught to America's children.

Wow. Good post Gary. And a very intelligently-argued thread on the topic. I think a lot of young liberals could learn a lot about this issue, and respect for the opinions of people who are different from them, by thoughtfully reading it.

Ahem. (And there's a couple of you out there...you know who you are).

Hmmm, it almost seems like Buzzy is being sarcastic or something.

-Gary

Heard that Barney Frank is really getting tired of being the "butt" of all these gay jokes

LOL