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I have heard that reg. gas gets better milage that ethanol blend gas. Has anyone checked it out and how much better milage did you get? I am in Iowa so I think ours is a 10% blend. thanks mike t
!0% less mileage with ethanol.
Phil Berkowitz
I get about 4 mpg better with reg gas. My local station sells the ethanol free gas and I make sure to nuse it, especially in my mowers.
Oscar
With my last truck, '05 Chevy, it would get 2-3 less mpg than with regular gas. I haven't used ethanol blended gas in my '11 Dodge so I can't compare.
About the same in my 5.4l Ford p/U. Boss lady drives a Lincold with the 4.6l and it gets about 2-3 MPG better on the good stuff.
I get 18-19 MpG with straight gasoline Vs 15-16 MpG with 10% ethanol blend gas in my my 1/2 ton GMC. Something like a 15% difference. You can feel the power difference too. The straight gas sells for about $0.25 per gallon more than the blend or about 7% more. So in this case the smart money is on paying more for the straight grade gas.
It takes about 1.5 gallons of ethanol to equal one gallon of gas . So you are losing about 3.3%. Jeff
4 mpg and better response with Real Gas over water creating Ethanol!!
Ethanol has cause the US to use more gas, who do you think benefits from that???
Thanks green idiots!!
Food is to eat not burn in engines!! If you check the internet you will find also Ethanol laced gas is more "Polluting" of the environment!!
Thanks again green idiots!
I have a 2003 Chev. Blazer. It used to get 15.5 miles (in the city)to the gallon. In the past couple of years the mileage dropped to 12 miles to the gallon. This is in the summer months. I thought I was having problems with the engine performance and had it tuned up. No difference in the mileage still at 12. Then it dawned on me the gas stations all went to 10% Ethanol. 10% Ethanol = a 20% decrease in mileage, at least in my blazer.
Recently the EPA approved an increase in the ethanol to 15%. I guess i'll have another drop in MPG.
This makes me wonder with the drop in mpg is the ethanol really saving in carbon emissions or does the decreased mileage offset any carbon emission savings?
As usual the Government knows what is best for us. (sarcasm). Mike.
Consumers Reports did a study on this a few years ago and concluded that compared to "regular" gas, gasoline with 10% ethanol got something like 10 - 15% lower fuel mileage, which means obviously that you have to burn more of the 90% fuel to go the same number of miles. Conclusion was that it no meaningful reduction on our dependence on oil. Makes a lot of money for corn farmers tho.
Pete
The more gas you burn the more money gets into the gov'ts hands. This is why you'll never see the high mileage cars that are prevalent in Europoe.
Phil Berkowitz
My car did get 27 MPG and now with that crap gets 23 MPG.
Some older cars HAVE to have NON ETHANOL. If they don't the ethanol gas will distroy the gaskets and lines of the car.
To me its just not worth the trouble to make. I did hear at one time that they were going to stop but now they are thinking of going to 15% ethnaol. More problems to come.
My wife had been complaining of poor gas milage after every trip to Missoula,Mt. then it dawned on me they are an ethanol city. Now she doesn't fuel up there and has returned to her "good" milage. Percentage of fuel economy drop I couldn't tell you, 100% increase in complaining.
It's easy to calculate the effect of ethanol on gas mileage. Gasoline has 114,100 BTUs per gallon while ethanol has 76,100. That means that ethanol has 33% fewer BTUs. Since there is 10% ethanol in the gas with ethanol it follows that ethanol gas will decrease mileage by 3.3%. While this is nothing to sneeze at, it's far less than many people claim using anecdotal evidence. Of course if you generally get 100 mpg then you will really lose 3 mpg.
I have seen the drop in gas mileage with my car too!
If you are able to get non-blended gas, how do you find it?
Charlie
Charlie, try the url above. Pure gas is getting harder to find every day and will likely be extinct soon.
You get 25persent less in a gallon of etnaol.But the major problem is it will totaly kill a carberator.The four wheeler shops and scooter shops are having to rebuild carbs all the time.I just had a fourwheeler drain the gas tank down into the oil pan and had to rebuild the carb.I also had to rebuild a 250 scooter.When I went to get parts the repair shop told me he gets a least one a week like them.That is why you should get an etnoal additive and add it to your fuel.There are some large storage tanks that they will not even put it in.Search the net and read up on and it will make you sickto think our gov would do this ti us.
I was told by our local bulk plant that sells REAL GAS the other day, that because Ethanol creates it own water while in storage, its only added to the gas while it is being put in the tanker trucks as they leave the refinerys.
Can't back it up with proof, but sounds logical.
Non Ethanol gas here is generally $.10 per gallon higher, BUT boy is it worth it!!
Greenies, the scum of the earth!!
I have a '97 Ranger, 4cyl, 5spd. I used to get 27-29 MPG on reg gas, now with the 10% ethanol mix I get 22 at best. Now with the drought hitting the corn crops corn will be going up and so will ethanol and so will our gas. Now the word is the govt wants to raise it to 15%.
ctreay
The best ethanol can be distilled to is 95% so there is still 5% water in it they add benzene to it to absorb or mix with the water to help keep it in solution
You notice I said help keep it in solution, guess it doesn't always work
My wife drives a 2007 Toyota Rav4. Before we got forced into the 10% ethanol mix, she got 30mpg. Now, with the corn fuel she gets 26mpg. With the drought this year, and the corn crops shriveling to sh!# here in the Midwest, you can bet the price of corn aint going down. Higher fuel prices, anyone?
Also, don't even think about running this stuff in a boat.
"That means that ethanol has 33% fewer BTUs. Since there is 10% ethanol in the gas with ethanol it follows that ethanol gas will decrease mileage by 3.3%."
Theory may indicate that "it follows that ethanol gas will decrease mileage by 3.3%" but there are factors involved other than btu content of the fuel. It is obvious that the theory doesn't work out in the real world of engine performance. Give the market real gas and see which one wins out in the long run.
2008 Prius 10% Ethanol 44 mpg average highway driving 0% Ethanol 54 mpg average highway driving
Corn should be food .... not fuel!!!
With the current drought in the US .... we should let all the corn go to feed.
My GMC pick-up loses 4 MPG using ethanol gas instead of ethanol free gas. What a scam on the American ethanol gas has turned out to be...Bill
It ain't theory, it's fact. It's the exact same reason that diesel engines get better mileage than gas engines- diesel has about 20% more BTUs per gallon than gasoline.
My Wrangler,straight 6, 5 speed with regular gas got 22-25 highway depending on wind, now at 60mph with 10% dont get 20. No place to buy REAL gas.
Diesel engines are designed for diesel fuel. Try running a gasoline engine on diesel fuel! The responses here dispel application of the theory that mileage loss will be proportional to the btu content of the fuel in the real driving world.
I've checked it while owning several different cars. Regular gas always gave better mileage from 2-3 mpg. My auto mechanic said that he sees a lot of plugged catalytic converters plugged now that everyone is using ethanol compared to years ago before it was available and says he attributes it to the corn based ethanol that everyone is burning now.
I burn nothing but regular gas.
In Minnesota, you don't have a choice as they do not sell regular gas at there stations. By law, they can only sell ethanol.
Hauxfan!
"Diesel engines are designed for diesel fuel." Brilliant deduction my dear Watson. Actually the responses here don't prove or disprove anything since not a single person has actually done a verifiable test to prove their claims. Anecdotal stories don't prove jack shite.
All the silly babble in the world won't change the fact is that diesel engines get better fuel mileage than gasoline engines because diesel has far more BTUs than gasoline. LNG engines get lower mileage than engines running on gas because...... get ready...... LNG has fewer BTUs per gallon than gasoline (75,000). Propane also gets less mileage than gasoline because .... get ready... it also has fewer BTUs per gallon (84,300). It's not that complicated.
Pure ethanol (E100) has about the same BTUs as LNG (76,100) so it would get about the same crappy mileage.
Hauxfan, Most every town in Minnesota has at least one station that sells 91 or 92 octane non-ethanol fuel. Here in the SE part of the state it is usually a Sinclair station or Fleet Farm.
Unfortunately,the price is usually high enough that the additional gas mileage gets cancelled out, making it senseless to use it in a car! Clever how they got that figured out, huh?
I use it mainly for my mowers, chainsaws, trimmers, etc. They run better, with more power. My big Gravely zero-turn mower will mow my 3 acres of lawn for about a 1/4 gallon less fuel compared to 10% ethanol blend.
Kiv
Hey John,
Not to get into a argument, but have you ever been around a Massey WD-9?
You started them on Gas and switched them over to diesel.
Its sad what this country has lost due to eco-freaks and no one standing up to their constant demands for changing what worked.
Ethanol has no place in our fuels, period end of story.
My personal preference would be that every auto/pickup/SUV should have the option of having a diesel engine for them! but that just me.
timber, if you are talking to me the answer is no, I haven't ever been around a Massey WD-9 and I don't see why the ability of an engine to start on gas and then switch to diesel would start an argument. Old diesel engines were notoriously hard to start so many methods were tried to overcome this problem, including the use of ether injection.
I'm with you on the diesel engines and drive one myself but it will be the last one since the enviro wackos have ruined them with all the emmisions crap. Not only do they not get the great mileage they used to but they cost much more than they used to also. In Europe they drive a lot of diesels because they didn't ruin them there.
Anyone drive a Flex-Fuel vehicle? What kind of mileage do vehicles get using E-85 fuel?
Its all about the greenbacks............the more gas you use.....the more tax they collect(they could care less about the environment)..........They have to keep feeding the machine anyway they can.
D.P.Reynolds
Ethanol what a joke. Low sulfer diesel is the same. You want a reason this country is doomed. This is just an example.
Wait until the 20% blend hits.
A politician is no better than a common thief and should be treated accordingly.
My daughter had a Ford SUV (Explorer, as I recall) that was rated to use E85. She consistently got 7 miles *less* per gallon using E85. It also had a lot less power and she considered it dangerous in passing situations, as well as pissing off other drivers at stoplights!
Kiv
Advice needed: I can only get 88 octane real gas. My boat motor is a 175 hp Evinrude that calls for 91 but my source of 91 is 10% ethanol. Which is the lesser of the two evils? Thanks, Shane
Why not use the 88, and pour in some octane booster?
ie: the massey WD9. I believe they were started with a gasoline engine starter. gas was never put in diesel fuel.
McCormick...International Harvester, was the WD 9 that started on gas then switched over to diesel.
Nope, oz, the ones I operated had two fuel tanks. The head had spark plugs, started them by gas, once running, switch over to diesel.
Had a 1948 Cat with a "pony" motor, had to start it first, pull on a lever to engage the diesel motor to fire it up. repeat process every time you stalled it!!
Used it to "punch" rocks out of the wheat fields and used the WD9's for pulling Heavy set disc and pulling other machinery out of "field pillows".
YOU didn't want to get the Massey stuck! Very heavy!
Oh the Good ole Days!!
Nice Pic, Rick. Looks smaller then what I remember. Of course the ones I was around had bigger tires on them.
Kiv, I stand corrected.
Hauxfan!
The question was not that diesel engines get better mileage than gasoline engines, that is a given. The question was how much does 10% ethanol cut fuel mileage in the real world. Fuel containing 10% ethanol cuts mileage in most older vehicles made for gasoline more than the stated 3.3%. There may not be any tests that would stand up to scientific standards but there are many of us who have kept track of miles driven and fuel purchased. I have records on one of the vehicles I now own from 1997 to present, 155,000 miles and three others for shorter periods, fewer miles. It is not hard to see the drop in mileage if you keep such records. Trips out of state to where non-ethanol gasoline is sold show the difference. Bottom line there are factors other than the btu content at play when using 10% ethanol. Ethanol is not the answer to our fuel needs. Oh yes, some of the older John Deere tractors had dual tanks, a small one for gasoline and larger one for kerosene. You started it on gasoline and once warmed up switched to kerosene. You best switch back to gasoline before turning it off if you wanted to start it the next day. It was a matter of economy as kerosene was cheaper in those days.
We had a John Deere B(?) on the farm at home that had two tanks. Started it on gas and switched to I think kerosene. When I was in the SEABEES we had Cats that you started with a pony engine and you started the main diesel engine with it. We also had International dozers (TD12-TD14?) that started the main engine on gas and then you switched them to diesel. We also had MACKS that started with a compression release lever that you released once they were running.
Can't remember what I did last week but I remember that stuff. CRS must be setting in.
ctreay
Had a 1935 John Deere B that you started on gas from the 1 gallon gas tank, then when warmed you switched the petcocks over to petroleum distillates. The 1939 styled "B" was gas only with compression release spigots.
I have a 720D and 830D John Deere that uses a pony or cranking engines, also a 730 and 830 that are electric start
I think all of the lettered John Deere's were all fuel except the R it was a diesel
Catpower, everyone should experience operating a John Deere 830.
I can still hear my Pop saying "that thing could pull the devil right up outta hell!"
Rick they are fun to drive, the hood looks like it is a mile long because you sit right over the hitch pin, but I actually used it to farm for a while nothing big I was only farming 240 acres after work, but they will still put out a lot of work for very little fuel
Still like to get them out, I drove the 830 in a parade last year, and my buddy was determined to put a 4 inch straight pipe on it, everybody in town knew when I started it and throttled up
Nothing like an 830.
That looks like either of the two I have
I can't remember the exact displacement but it's close to 500 CID in two holes
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