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Tonight a shooter who shall remain unidentified (but his initials are DJU) had an accidental discharge while "bouncing" the gun lightly into the pocket of the shoulder as he prepared to shoot, but had not called pull. It was of course pointed well above the trap house and directly downrange, so aside from being hugely embarrassing and unnerving, no real harm. Probably a result of the combination of a release trigger and a long day of shooting. But no excuses, a screw up to be sure. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that I'm curious on the rules regarding how this would be scored, a "lost bird", or no target and simply reload and call pull. dju
Well when it happened to me in a Registered shoot, I looked at the other shooters apologized reloaded and proceeded to call for my bird and smoked it. I don't know if there was any rule but nobody said anything. Brother you ain't alone.
Simply reload and shoot again...
I shoot a release and one time I mounted my gun, pointed above the house, set the trigger and boom! I didn't call for the bird, but my gun went off. I apologized, loaded another shell, set the trigger and boom again! Apologized, changed to double barrels to shoot the bottom first and my release worked fine. Since I didn't call for the bird the squad leader said no failure to fire and we continued.
Can't lose a target that wasn't in the air.
Thank you all! dju
But if a target HAD been in the air, it would be a lost target.
You have to call for a target if it is to be lost.
HM
Hello,
We have all seen a bird launched from the traphouse when it our turn to shoot, could be someone moving a speaker?, closing the action on their shotgun? They could have said something to one of their buddies? etc.
Let me know if this is correct ? If it is your turn to shoot & someone on another station trips the speaker & you fire at the bird without calling , the result is scored.
hwy13 - In what you describe the target would be scored because you shot at it.
If and when this happens just lower your gun open the action and start over - don't shoot at a target you didn't call for.
David - don't feel bad, the AD happens to most guys using a release trigger at some point. The important thing is you had the gun pointed down range and there was no damage or injury. If you look at the back of the traphouses at just about any range you will see where they have been shot several times. The event obviously got your attention and I'll bet you don't have a repeat for some time.
halfmile & hwy 13 ........
SECTION VII - OFFICIAL SCORING
E. NO TARGET The referee/scorer shall rule “NO TARGET” and allow another target(s) in the following instances:
6. When the trap is sprung without any call of pull, or when it is sprung at any material interval of time before or after the call of the contestant, provided the contestant does not fire. If the contestant fires, the result must be scored.
If a bird in the air, lost bird. Your only allowed 1 screwup at a time...
"Oh, I didn't call that bird! It caused my release to go off!"
Otherwise we'd all do it...
I wonder how many shooters, especially senior vets (like me) think that not taking off the safety, forgetting to put a shell in the gun, or a flinch is a lost target, and you could never convince them otherwise no matter what that dadgummed rule book says.
A shoot off would have been a better place for that to happen lol. John
In IPSIC shooting an accidental discharge is considered unsafe handling and requires immediate disqualification. Not a bad rule?
jim brown
In IPSC, most accidental discharges can result in injuries up to and including death. Hence more strict rules....
In trap, when basic safety is practiced, an accidental discharge is little consequence.
Muzzle must always be down-range in IPSIC as in trap. Muzzle sweeping part of your body or pointing in an unsafe direction is also grounds for disqualification. 12 gauge is surely more devastating than IPSIC pistol calibers. Why would a AD in IPSIC be more dangerous? Not advocating just asking.
jim brown
Jim Brown,
So with your line of thinking, when a shooter's gun doubles during a doubles event then they should be immediately disqualified? You know a gun doubling is an accidental discharge as the shooter did not fire that second shot. You wouldn't happen to be one of the anti-release trigger guys would you? I shot on a squad with a guy who was using a pull trigger break open single shot. When he closed his gun it fired. Seems after his last shot his firing pun broke and stuck out. When he closed the break open it fired. So he should be automatically DQ'd?
Jim, because your dealing with holstered guns, speed reloads, probably with chambered rounds, running with weapons etc.... hardly comparable to a flinch on a trap range...
"I wonder how many shooters, especially senior vets (like me) think that not taking off the safety, forgetting to put a shell in the gun, or a flinch is a lost target, and you could never convince them otherwise no matter what that dadgummed rule book says. "
Two of us?
mike campbell,
That is called a Failure to Fire. You get two per round. It's in the Rule Book. If people would read it there would be nobody that believed it was a lost target. Now after your two allowed per round you go it again, it is then a lost target. Regardless of what people like or believe, rules are rules and are meant to follow.
Grntitan, IPSIC has an exception to the AD disqualification if the gun malfunctions. The malfunction must be varified by the RO.
No, I'm not an anti release guy. Shot one for years, got tired of the hassle and went back to a pull.
I am not taking a position on this, just asking what you think. I do think that any accidental firing of a firearm is a serious and dangerous situation. It has happened to me both as malfunction and as my own stupidity. Scared hell out of me and makes me thankful it has always turned out as well as it has.
jim brown
As a release guy, I dislike pull triggers. Everytime I set the trigger they go off! (Grin)
I have seen far to many release triggers pull through and surprise the living hell out of everyone, especially the guy holding the gun ... You can usually tell if the shooter has not called for a target and his gun goes off ... Could be dangerous under some circumstances but harmless (usually) if the gun is pointed down range ... I do not shoot a release and would have to tough it out somehow if it ever came to that ... I have tried them and do not like them even a little bit, seems unnatural to me ... I have an assortment of release triggers just in case someone needs to borrow a gun, but I do not use them ... There are people I will not squad with because they seem to always have trouble with the trigger in their guns, usually a release trigger ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
I had a few...not on the range though...think thats why my wife divorced me
"That is called a Failure to Fire. You get two per round. It's in the Rule Book. If people would read it there would be nobody that believed it was a lost target. Now after your two allowed per round you go it again, it is then a lost target. Regardless of what people like or believe, rules are rules and are meant to follow."
I've read the rule book.
Forgetting to take the safety off, forgetting to load the gun, flinching or otherwise failing to shoot at a legal target properly called for is a brain fart. The Rule Book may allow two Brain Farts but I don't allow myself any. When it happens to me, I wonder how the referee will respond when I turn and say "lost target, next shooter" ?
I see. That is certainly your choice.
Mike,
I don' agree. Shooting the traphouse, the ground or out into the great beyond WITHOUT calling for a bird is not a F2F.
It IS commonly referred to as a brainfart howsomever.
Leave it to Calvin to bring up biological discharges--we'd better leave that one ferment where it is.....
Guy Babin
2 pnts. No it is not a ftf, and mike, a good ref would tell you to shoot again...
Sorry Guy...mine were one or the other...AD's or FTF's sometimes even failed to show to the line altogether...all depended on who was on Leno that night ;))
"No it is not a ftf, and mike, a good ref would tell you to shoot again... "
Well, I certainly don't argue with refs. Guess I'll just have to call for a bird and miss it. Either way, I'll take the loss.
If you are shooting reclaimed shot which dju does is it any different since the shot has already been shot at a previous target. Just asking. Terry
ROFLMAO....good point #3 lol
LMAO at Lead Miner.....
Leadminer, Private Message Sent. dju
what was amazing was when a new release shooter, smoked a target (not called) (the wind did launch many targets that day) no more then 10 feet out of the trap. It took several minutes to convince him he had, the puller and two or three club officals saw it also.
they may have been there to count all his divots, that first round was rough, he shot almost 50 to get 25 birds done. By his second post we did not even twitch when when he made another divot. Somehow he never got a cord or pattern on the wall.
A couple of years ago there was new paint put on all our traps houses a couple of weeks before a very large shoot, most had a pattern in the paint before the shoot, and all did after.
But for all that I rarely see an AD
Al
I have yet to see one that was not with a release.
I know it has to happen with all triggers.
A week ago shooting 200 targets by myself, I was getting tired from the pace, I felt my finger get on the trigger before the gun was shouldered a couple of times, I had to stop and kick my A$$ and make I sure I stopped that! but no AD's.
One little BF and there goes a round down range (I hope). With propper handling the muzzle should always be in a safe direction. but, IT SHOULD STILL SHAKE UP THE SHOOTER, to have an A D though.
Al
If you're young enough one AD and you can start over again shortly. When you're old it's likely your last. No hard, fast rule here!!
Well,2 of mine come to mind.First time,scorer laughed and said she thought I was shooting at a butterfly. Second one,scorer said nothing,squad finished,later at club house he admitted he wasn't looking and when he looked up,seen nothing,he thought I had smoked the target.Oh,one other time,gun fired when I set the trigger( I shoot a release) apparently picked up wrong gun,looked identical to mine.I fixed that later,now have a mark on mine to identify it.
Doug H.
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